steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 from the what-are-you-so-afraid-of dept The Russian government continues to escalate its war on encrypted services and VPNs. For years now, Putin's government has slowly but surely taken steps to effectively outlaw secure communications, framing the restrictions as essential for national security, with the real goal of making it harder than ever for Russian citizens to dodge the Putin government's ever-expanding surveillance ambitions. The latest case in point: starting last Friday, the Russian government banned access to encrypted email service Tutanota, without bothering to provide the company with much of any meaningful explanation: In a blog post, the company notes that Tutanota has been blocked in Egypt since October of last year, and that impacted users should attempt to access the service via a VPN or the Tor browser: "Encrypted communication is a thorn in the side to authoritarian governments like Russia as encryption makes it impossible for security services to eavesdrop on their citizens. The current blocking of Tutanota is an act against encryption and confidential communication in Russia. ...We condemn the blocking of Tutanota. It is a form of censorship of Russian citizens who are now deprived of yet another secure communication channel online. At Tutanota we fight for our users’ right to privacy online, also, and particularly, in authoritarian countries such as Russia and Egypt. Except VPNs have been under fire in Russia for years as well. Back in 2016 Russia introduced a new surveillance bill promising to deliver greater security to the country. Of course, as with so many similar efforts around the world the bill actually did the exact opposite -- not only mandating new encryption backdoors, but also imposing harsh new data-retention requirements on ISPs and VPN providers forced to now register with the government. As a result, some VPN providers, like Private Internet Access, wound up leaving the country after finding their entire function eroded and having some of their servers seized. Last year Russia upped the ante, demanding that VPN providers like NordVPN, ExpressVPN, IPVanish, and HideMyAss help block forbidden websites that have been added to Russia's censorship watchlist. And last January, ProtonMail (and ProtonVPN) got caught up in the ban as well after it refused to play the Russian government's registration games. While Russian leaders want the public to believe these efforts are necessary to ensure national security, they're little more than a giant neon sign advertising Russian leaders' immense fear of the Russian public being able to communicate securely. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 So the author of the article thinks Russia has already access to Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo etc that 99% of people in the world use and the only problem is this new tutanota. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanderthunder Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sylence said: So the author of the article thinks Russia has already access to Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo etc that 99% of people in the world use and the only problem is this new tutanota. lol But what they (the government) dumb enough to know that even if they blocked Tutanota and ProtonMail, they didn't know that there are alternatives for that? https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/the-best-encrypted-email-services/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, zanderthunder said: But what they (the government) dumb enough to know that even if they blocked Tutanota and ProtonMail, they didn't know that there are alternatives for that? https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/the-best-encrypted-email-services/ Exactly, so the government is definitely Not dumb and the way this article is depicting the whole story seems shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Sylence said: Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo These are not end-to-end encryption providers . A Goverment can pressure them to hand over your emails . If the USA wants your data they have to hand it over even if your data is stored offshore because Microsoft lost in court . In order to provide a service in Russia you have to follow there laws if you don't comply you get fined and / or banned its just that simple . 1 hour ago, zanderthunder said: But what they (the government) dumb enough to know that even if they blocked Tutanota and ProtonMail, they didn't know that there are alternatives for that? They many end-to-end encryption providers but not free ones . the Government dont see them as a problem yet If Millions of Russians bought them then they could ban them too if they want by law. This article is not about what they not ban yet , it's about the latest end-to-end encryption services they ban they ban other emails as well . Telegram and many VPNs already . There excuse to ban Tutanota was people were using it to make fake bomb threats. From Russian News Tass : Russia blocks access to several foreign mail services after wave of bomb threats https://tass.com/society/1122025 They have pages and pages of stuff they ban so far https://reestr.rublacklist.net/ That's a lame excuse If they sent non encrypted emails to the Goverment Tutanota and ProtonMail want protect you against that , only way end-to-end encryption really works if 2 people are emailing back and forth using the same end-to-end encryption provider. Only way you can send emails to other providers is unencrypted . Who the heck is going to pay money to do this unless they was some business with devices all over the world? These free ones gets you in there and get you hooked then you pay to get more storage and features. Many people have Tutanota or/ and ProtonMail but those paid for ones I doubt they do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, steven36 said: These are not end-to-end encryption providers . A Goverment can pressure them to hand over your emails . If the USA wants your data they have to hand it over even if your data is stored offshore because Microsoft lost in court . In order to provide a service in Russia you have to follow there laws if you don't comply you get fined and / or banned its just that simple . They many end-to-end encryption providers but not free ones . the Government dont see them as a problem yet If Millions of Russians bought them then they could ban them too if they want by law. This article is not about what they not ban yet , it's about the latest end-to-end encryption services they ban they ban other emails as well . Telegram and many VPNs already . There excuse to ban Tutanota was people were using it to make fake bomb threats. From Russian News Tass : Russia blocks access to several foreign mail services after wave of bomb threats https://tass.com/society/1122025 They have pages and pages of stuff they ban so far https://reestr.rublacklist.net/ That's a lame excuse If they sent non encrypted emails to the Goverment Tutanota and ProtonMail want protect you against that , only way end-to-end encryption really works if 2 people are emailing back and forth using the same end-to-end encryption provider. Only way you can send emails to other providers is unencrypted . Who the heck is going to pay money to do this unless they was some business with devices all over the world? These free ones gets you in there and get you hooked then you pay to get more storage and features. Many people have Tutanota or/ and ProtonMail but those paid for ones I doubt they do . you just confirmed what I said. so if you are not doing anything illegal, your privacy won't be violated. if you are doing something illegal, government SHOULD access your email and stop you before you do harm to the society and other people. what is wrong with that? just tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Sylence said: so if you are not doing anything illegal, your privacy won't be violated. That's not true you dont have to do anything illegal , you may just be friends with someone who does or be suspected of doing something illegal, email data is just one piece of evidence they gather to try to convict you . And when you say illegal your on the world wide web what may be illegal in your country may not be illegal in mine and vice versa , were i live they never banned any email providers , messenger apps , or VPNs so i dont have to comply with other countries that do laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, steven36 said: That's not true you dont have to do anything illegal , you may just be friends with someone who does or be suspected of doing something illegal, email data is just one piece of evidence they gather to try to convict you . And when you say illegal your on the world wide web what may be illegal in your country may not be illegal in mine and vice or versa were i live they never banned any email providers , messenger apps , or VPNs so i dont have to comply with countries that do laws. that's all your opinion, not true. I can say lots of things about US government and you can deny it too. really? US government bans free speech in social media, orders Twitter, Instagram, YouTube to ban certain content about people. how about that? they categorize everything they want under hate speech. it's tit for tat. censorship is happening right under your nose my friend. US president threatens other countries and persons in Twitter which is against terms of service but they don't anything. but the government orders Facebook and Instagram to remove pictures of Soleimani after they assassinated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sylence said: US government bans free speech in social media, orders Twitter, Instagram, YouTube to ban certain content about people. how about that? No that's not true if they is no law saying they had to do it , they done it because of pubic opinion and out of fear the Goverment may make laws to be able to regulate social media one day , but there no laws on the books that say they have to ban people for every social media site that dont allow something they are social media site sites that do allow it still. 9 minutes ago, Sylence said: that's all your opinion, not true. No its not the jails are full of people who are not guilty some got proven to be innocent after spending years and years in jail its a cold hard fact . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Sylence said: your paragraphing is so bad it's hard to understand what you are saying. please use dots and commas more often. books, laws what? There is no law saying they have to ban no one they done it because of public opinion from the Social Justice movement and fear that they will make laws to regulate social media , Before Trump got in office and the left was in office Obama praised google and social media they never did even care for as long as the internet existed tell the left said the Russians hacked them and stole the election from HRC . Threats and laws are two different things . They done that on there own accord without the Goverment having to put anything on paper just because people had has a bad opinion of them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, steven36 said: There is no law saying they have ban no one they done it because of public opinion from the Social Justice movement and fear that they will make laws to regulate social media , Before Trump got in office and the left was in office Obama praised google and social media they never did even care for as long as the internet existed tell the left said the Russians hacked them and stole the election from HRC . Threats and laws are two different things . They done that on there own accord without the Goverment having to put anything on paper just because people had has a bad opinion of them . How is this related to the fact that US do censorship in social media and Twitter discriminates and lets Trump violate Twitter's terms of use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, Sylence said: How is this related to the fact that US do censorship in social media and Twitter discriminates and lets Trump violate Twitter's terms of use? Social Media are not Goverment regulated there is no law saying they have to censor no one and there is no laws saying they can't . Each site is privately owned with there own set of rules like this site has rules you can't talk about certain things . Its like Tumblr ban porn but Twitter and reddit didn't. It like Extremist social media sites that allow them to say stuff that the mainstream social media sites don't . No websites from the USA speaks for the USA as a whole. We dont have Goverment regulated social media sites like China has yet. Maybe one day we will, but there is no law saying they had to yet . so saying the USA done it is not true you argument is with Facebook , Twitter and YouTube not the USA goverment . Now if they allow data breaches and hacks and put the Goverment and public at risk they broke the law and they will have to pay the price but at the end of the day its up to them how they want to go about protecting there sites .Banning people may not even do any good they new to having to protect there sites and really don't know what will work and won't work none of there methods have been proven to work yet. TV , Radio and the Telephone is Goverment regulated but just the internet is not yet , that was there excuse for getting rid of Net Neutrality was Big Tech was not Goverment regulated and the ISP was and it was not fair so they got rid of it were the ISP have the same rights as Big Tech. If Social Media ever gets Goverment regulated they want have different rules they will all have to follow the same rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Spoiler 35 minutes ago, steven36 said: Social Media are not Goverment regulated there is no law saying they have to censor no one and there is no laws saying they can't . Each site is privately owned with there own set of rules like this site has rules you can't talk about certain things . Its like Tumblr ban porn but Twitter and reddit didn't. It like Extremist social media sites that allow them to say stuff that the mainstream social media sites don't . No websites from the USA speaks for the USA as a whole. We dont have Goverment regulated social media sites like China has yet. Maybe one day we will, but there is no law saying they had to yet . so saying the USA done it is not true you argument is with Facebook , Twitter and YouTube not the USA goverment . Now if they allow data breaches and hacks and put the Goverment and public at risk they broke the law and they will have to pay the price but at the end of the day its up to them how they want to go about protecting there sites .Banning people may not even do any good they new to having to protect there sites and really don't know what will work and won't work none of there methods have been proven to work yet. TV , Radio and the Telephone is Goverment regulated but just the internet is not yet , that was there excuse for getting rid of Net Neutrality was Big Tech was not Goverment regulated and the ISP was and it was not fair so they got rid of it were the ISP have the same rights as Big Tech. If Social Media ever gets Goverment regulated they want have different rules they will all have to follow the same rules. The whole law is flawed in US. Social medias are government regulated. government makes fake sanctions and social medias use it to justify their actions. it's a ridiculous game. Russia is innocent here compared to what US government is doing to the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Sylence said: Reveal hidden contents The whole law is flawed in US. Social medias are government regulated. government makes fake sanctions and social medias use it to justify their actions. it's a ridiculous game. Russia is innocent here compared to what US government is doing to the world. Sanctions dont have nothing to do with Social media it has something to with Big Tech if a Tech company is blacklisted there not allowed to business with them is all . But if they wasn't greedy to begin with and all tech was open source they would be nothing to regulate.The Linux Foundation still does business with blacklisted companies because open source is not for profit . The problem with social media and Big Tech they are for profit and when there money involved every country in the world that not out right ban them yet will take turns suing them for millions and billions of dollars. That's just the price you have to pay for being the most richest and hated businesses in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Spoiler Just now, steven36 said: Sanctions dont have nothing to do with Social media it has something to with Big Tech if a Tech company is blacklisted there not allowed to business with them is all . But if they wasn't greedy to begin with and all tech was open source they would be nothing to regulate.The Linux Foundation still does business with blacklisted companies because open source is not for profit . The problem with social media and Big Tech they are for profit and when there money involved every country in the world that not out right ban them yet will take turns suing them for millions and billions of dollars. That's just the price you have to pay for being the most richest and hated businesses in the world. they have everything to do with social media. Instagram and Facebook's justification for removing posts is Us sanctions. do your research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sylence said: Reveal hidden contents they have everything to do with social media. Instagram and Facebook's justification for removing posts is Us sanctions. do your research. Can i ask you this why do activists have to use Facebook and not use alternatives ? Why do they depend on USA sites if countries had there own social media sites like China does what the USA done wouldnt even matter . why must you depend on these USA sites for freedom of speech when people from the USA cant even? I dont use Facebook since 2011 and I tell people to leave it and im not alone there's a whole #DeleteFacebook movement many people from USA fell the same as me . Go use snap chat or something and see will the UK will treat you any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Spoiler 9 minutes ago, steven36 said: Can i ask you this why do activists have to use Facebook and not use alternatives ? Why do they depend on USA sites if countries had there own social media sites like China does what the USA done wouldnt even matter . why must you depend on these USA sites for freedom of speech when people from the USA cant even? I dont use Facebook since 2011 and I tell people to leave it and im not alone there's a whole #DeleteFacebook movement many people from USA fell the same as me . Go use snap chat or something and see will the UK will treat you any better. no you can't ask because that's not relevant. why people should use the stupid encrypted emails if they don't have anything to hide and if they are not doing anything illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sylence said: Reveal hidden contents no you can't ask because that's not relevant. why people should use the stupid encrypted emails if they don't have anything to hide and if they are not doing anything illegal. You dont have to no one said you did , encrypted emails dont even have to be used encrypted but if your country ban my email i cant email you unless you have a email provider in a country that its not ban . These encrypted emails dont even have anything to do with the USA they based in the EU and you went all off topic talking about the USA . Why do you diss EU emails and praise USA ones? if you was worried about freedom of speech and they didn't allow you to speak freely and ban everyone for sanctions as you claim you most likely wouldnt have outlook anymore that proves Big tech makes there own rules . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp68terr Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Privacy? I don't have anything to hide. https://www.privacytools.io/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, mp68terr said: Privacy? I don't have anything to hide. https://www.privacytools.io/ Edward Snowden says Facebook is just as untrustworthy as the NSA https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/31/20940532/edward-snowden-facebook-nsa-whistleblower If they untrustworthy as the NSA that means they recording everything you say . If they weren't they wouldnt know to ban you its a site with billions of users . They ban the USA activist just like they ban Activist not from the USA. Why bother even visiting ? My life goes on with out fussing about my problems on Facebook. Back when it was on the other shoe when Snowden went in exile And before the founder of Wiki Leaks went to jail for leaking about the NSA. Russians and there Sympathizers was all Gun Ho about privacy but once there Goverment started banning encryption then people not even from Russia starts running there mouth about why it OK not to have privacy . I wonder how all the Russians fell about it? i even had Russian friends who bought VPNs when it was legal there. If your not from Russia it was not your rights that was took away. it was theirs. And I know i would not like it if my Goverment done that and if we dont fight for privacy no one will have none and it want be no chance of them ever getting theirs back! You know Rich people they can buy privacy , people in Governments , Ceos etc. You only see what they want you to see , If anything bad they do leaks it's a scandal so they can't afford not to have privacy but they make it there business to evade the conman mans privacy . You don't have the sames rights they have because your not rich and can't pay off people to look the other way . The CEO of Microsoft uses Linux he knows better than to use Windows when not at work. Privacy is not just for people who do illegal things we all have stuff we don't want the world to know there called secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, steven36 said: You dont have to no one said you did , encrypted emails dont even have to be used encrypted but if your country ban my email i cant email you unless you have a email provider in a country that its not ban . These encrypted emails dont even have anything to do with the USA they based in the EU and you went all off topic talking about the USA . Why do you diss EU emails and praise USA ones? if you was worried about freedom of speech and they didn't allow you to speak freely and ban everyone for sanctions as you claim you most likely wouldnt have outlook anymore that proves Big tech makes there own rules . Outlook and Gmail work in Russia. you must have confused China with Russia lol Spoiler 46 minutes ago, steven36 said: Edward Snowden says Facebook is just as untrustworthy as the NSA https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/31/20940532/edward-snowden-facebook-nsa-whistleblower If they untrustworthy as the NSA that means they recording everything you say . If they weren't they wouldnt know to ban you its a site with billions of users . They ban the USA activist just like they ban Activist not from the USA. Why bother even visiting ? My life goes on with out fussing about my problems on Facebook. Back when it was on the other shoe when Snowden went in exile And before the founder of Wiki Leaks went to jail for leaking about the NSA. Russians and there Sympathizers was all Gun Ho about privacy but once there Goverment started banning encryption then people not even from Russia starts running there mouth about why it OK not to have privacy . I wonder how all the Russians fell about it? i even had Russian friends who bought VPNs when it was legal there. If your not from Russia it was not your rights that was took away. it was theirs. And I know i would not like it if my Goverment done that and if we dont fight for privacy no one will have none and it want be no chance of them ever getting theirs back! You know Rich people they can buy privacy , people in Governments , Ceos etc. You only see what they want you to see , If anything bad they do leaks it's a scandal so they can't afford not to have privacy but they make it there business to evade the conman mans privacy . You don't have the sames rights they have because your not rich and can't pay off people to look the other way . The CEO of Microsoft uses Linux he knows better than to use Windows when not at work. Privacy is not just for people who do illegal things we all have stuff we don't want the world to know there called secrets. although I totally agree with Snowden on that, but governments should have access to people's data when the law and public security requires them to. when you say people, there are all kinds of people. good people, bad people, terrorists, all in one cup. because of this reason, people shouldn't be allowed to hide their activity from the law. unless you are OK with terrorists killing others and some of those victims might even be from your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 46 minutes ago, Sylence said: Outlook and Gmail work in Russia. you must have confused China with Russia lol The OP is not about Outlook and Gmail i dont even use these USA emails by Big Tech since 2012 anymore. If someone uses a Russian email service like. Gomail [WEB] [POP] Halyava [POP] iMail [WEB] [POP] Inbox.ru [WEB] [POP] [FORWARD] Mail15 [POP3] [IMAP] [WEB] Mail.ru [WEB] [POP] Novaya Pochta [WEB] And i have my email app open i cant send them a email i have to go dig out one of my none e2e email providers that i never use just to talk to them . The world is much bigger than the USA not everyone uses there services it may be a shock to you but it's a fact. so they made it harder to talk to some people that want to avoid big tech . .Outlook and Gmai work with all e2e email providers too. But what if they like me and dont like to use USA sites? I was a beta tester for Gmail before it was even public i remember when people didn't use web emails we used the ones our ISP gave us in the early days. PS: Russia not got after Google about emails yet there not E2E , But Russia has Fined them 2 times for not censoring there search engine https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-fine/russia-fines-google-for-not-complying-with-search-results-law-tass-idUSKBN1OA0ZA https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-lawsuit/russia-fines-google-for-failing-to-filter-search-results-idUSKCN1UD1WU So Google will have to cave are be ban one day . Also as far as Microsoft they ban LinkedIn in 2016 https://www.tutorialspoint.com/why-has-russia-blocked-linkedin All USA sites in Russia face a ban if they dont cave in soon . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/17/facebook-and-twitter-face-russian-sanctions-in-data-storage-row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aum Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, Sylence said: when you say people, there are all kinds of people. good people, bad people, terrorists, all in one cup. because of this reason, people shouldn't be allowed to hide their activity from the law In law also: there are all kinds of people. good people, bad people, (a few ?terrorists?) all in one cup. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, steven36 said: The OP is not about Outlook and Gmail i dont even use these USA emails by Big Tech since 2012 anymore. If someone uses a Russian email service like. Gomail [WEB] [POP] Halyava [POP] iMail [WEB] [POP] Inbox.ru [WEB] [POP] [FORWARD] Mail15 [POP3] [IMAP] [WEB] Mail.ru [WEB] [POP] Novaya Pochta [WEB] And i have my email app open i cant send them a email i have to go dig out one of my none e2e email providers that i never use just to talk to them . The world is much bigger than the USA not everyone uses there services it may be a shock to you but it's a fact. so they made it harder to talk to some people that want to avoid big tech . .Outlook and Gmai work with all e2e email providers too. But what if they like me and dont like to use USA sites? I was a beta tester for Gmail before it was even public i remember when people didn't use web emails we used the ones our ISP gave us in the early days. PS: Russia not got after Google about emails yet there not E2E , But Russia has Fined them 2 times for not censoring there search engine https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-fine/russia-fines-google-for-not-complying-with-search-results-law-tass-idUSKBN1OA0ZA https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-alphabet-lawsuit/russia-fines-google-for-failing-to-filter-search-results-idUSKCN1UD1WU So Google will have to cave are be ban one day . Also as far as Microsoft they ban LinkedIn in 2016 https://www.tutorialspoint.com/why-has-russia-blocked-linkedin All USA sites in Russia face a ban if they dont cave in soon . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/17/facebook-and-twitter-face-russian-sanctions-in-data-storage-row Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo are global Email providers, not US only. those you mentioned are Russian only, not global. you can still use either type but the experience isn't as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Sylence said: Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo are global Email providers, not US only. those you mentioned are Russian only, not global. you can still use either type but the experience isn't as expected. All providers are Global unless they block certain countries form using them just because they not English dont mean nothing they millions of Russians live in the USA Mail.Ru's sites reach approximately 86% of Russian Internet users on a monthly basis and the company is in the top 5 of largest Internet companies, based on the number of total pages viewed. Mail.Ru controls and operates the 3 largest and most popular Russian social networking sites, VKontakte, Odnoklassniki, and Moi Mir, respectively In the year June 2007 the site became the most popular Russian site in web according to Alexa ranking. Prior to that, it had already gained more than 30 million user all over the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail.Ru It's the WWW unless you live in China or a site is ban in your country the whole internet is Global so your point is moot. I been using Russian sites for 12 years now so you don't make any sense . Russian torrent sites have more users than English ones even and there even ban in Russia but somehow they get around it most pirates use RU tracker and others . they Russian music sites direct download or stream with any music you want for free better than any legit music sites. Before Russia started getting Google to censor and blocking sites i had a whole lot more Russian warez sites bookmarked many are gone now. It makes me sad because I uploaded with Russians on warez sites since 2007 tell i retired from it. I use to even belong to a warez forum from China it was global and web sites from China use to not be blocked like they are now and they was full of warez we use to link to them back in 2007 and 2008 on the site i uploaded on cracks from the scene. I still belong to warez forums in Vietnam and Indonesia. So the whole internet is global unless they block certain places or certain places block you. every year it gets worse and worse because they even sites in the middle east i use to use the downloads wont work for me anymore. thats why using file lockers is best . I switch to Linux were so i dont have worry about software 98% i use is free The other 2% i need so i buy it. I just go mostly to sites that have movies and TV Shows so i cut way back on pirating. I have 2 apps that I download music without having to use a web browser even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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