steven36 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 At its annual Surface hardware event, Microsoft today announced the long-rumored ARM-based Surface, the first time Microsoft itself has launched a device with an ARM-based processor inside. The 13-inch device will use Microsoft’s own custom SQ1 chip, based on Qualcomm’s Snapdragon and an AI accelerator, making it the first Surface with an integrated AI engine. Microsoft and Qualcomm also worked on building custom-designed GPU cores for the Pro X, which will run Microsoft’s version of Windows 10 for ARM. The Pro X will be available on November 5, starting at $999 and is now available for pre-order. Microsoft started its flirtation with ARM-based devices a few years ago and that work culminated in the launch of a number of ARM-powered devices from HP, Asus and others, promising all-day battery life, the ability to still run almost every Windows application, and performance comparable to a lower-end Intel chip. To do this, Microsoft is using a binary translator that converts X86 instructions into ARM64 as necessary, while still compiling almost all of the native Windows 10 libraries for the ARM architecture. Like Microsoft’s other new Surface devices, the 13-inch ARM-based Pro X will feature USB-C ports and LTE connectivity. The screen features a 1400:1 contrast ratio and a 2880×1920 resolution and can be extended to a 4k screen. At its thinnest point, the Pro x is 5.3mm thin and weighs 1.68 pounds. There’s also a removable hard-drive, a first for the Surface line. Together with Qualcomm, Microsoft designed its own custom processor for this, the SQ1. Microsoft stressed the work the team did on building an AI engine into the chipset. Microsoft also launched a new, slimmer Surface pen for the Pro X, which will feature its own storage space on the new Type Cover for the device. It’s no secret that ARM itself has worked hard to bring its chip designed to laptops, desktops and servers. With every new generation of its design, the company talks about how it wants to get more of its chips into these machines, especially now that their performance is often more than adequate for many use cases. With this Microsoft partnership, it’s definitely getting a bit closer to this. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taviruni Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 A glorified Smartphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanderthunder Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Taviruni said: A glorified Smartphone. That's not smartphone though. It's a tablet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Taviruni said: A glorified Smartphone. Microsoft dont make windows phones no more they lost billions on it , only they make android phones now if you cant beat them join them . So only they make tablets and laptops with windows . More info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taviruni Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Edward Raja said: That's not smartphone though. It's a tablet. 4 hours ago, steven36 said: Microsoft dont make windows phones no more they lost billions on it , only they make android phones now if you cant beat them join them . So only they make tablets and laptops with windows . I know, it was a sarcastic comment about an ARM device + Win ARM version (same recipy they used before on their smartphones fiasco), meaning more of the same and they don't understand. I said: A glorified Smartphone. (Forgot to add without phone service) Windows ARM version don't have and never will have all and same features/capabilities as the full x86 or x64 versions since ARM environment do not alow it, the ARM CPU lacks many capabilities present on x86 and x64 CPUs. When people buys a device like that, they are expecting it to have exactly same capabilities as a PC (because nobody explain them it is not same thing), and when they find it does not, they feel defrauded or at least very disappointed. Then they comment to every body this is not a good product, and at the end the product gets a very bad reputation and well you know the rest of the ecuation, same thing that happened to Win smartphones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, Taviruni said: I know, it was a sarcastic comment about an ARM device + Win ARM version (same recipy they used before on their smartphones fiasco), meaning more of the same and they don't understand. Windows ARM version don't have and never will have all and same features/capabilities as the full x86 or x64 versions since ARM environment do not alow it, the ARM CPU lacks many capabilities present on x86 and x64 CPUs. When people buys a device like that, they are expecting it to have exactly same capabilities as a PC (because nobody explain them it is not same thing), and when they find it does not, they feel defrauded or at least very disappointed. Then they comment to every body this is not a good product, and at the end the product gets a very bad reputation and well you know the rest of the ecuation, same thing that happened to Win smartphones. here are the specs CPU: Microsoft SQ1 RAM: 8GB or 16GB Display: 13 inches (2880 x 1920) Storage: 128GB, 256GB or 512GB Ports: USB-C (2), 1 SurfaceConnect Battery life: 13 hours (rated) Wireless: 802.11ac Wi-Fi 5, LTE Advanced Dimensions: 11.3 in x 8.2 in x 0.28 inches Weight: 1.68 lbs Toms Guide says Microsoft's new Surface Pro X could be the first ARM-powered 2-in-1 laptop that's worth buying. Our Verdict With a slick full-screen design, powerful SQ1 chip and a clever pen holster, the Surface Pro X could be a real iPad Pro killer. https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/surface-pro-x We will just have to see how it pans out once its tested in the wild. The dual-screen Android smartphone and Arm-powered Surface Pro X is made to take a lot of apple's business . Microsoft store was already promoting Samsung android phones 900 dollars rebate if you trade in your iPhone for a Samsung . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taviruni Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, steven36 said: Toms hardware says Microsoft's new Surface Pro X could be the first ARM-powered 2-in-1 laptop that's worth buying. https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/surface-pro-x We will just have see how it pans out ones its tested in the wild. Yes, they talk about price, specs. and nice looking device and not a word about user experience as: Is it fast when booting from a total Off state (not hibernated)? What programs it can run? What programs it can not run? What games it is capable or not to run? What software and hardware test they made? It looks as they make the review just by looking some pictures and advertisements. But you are right and I'm agree with your statement: We will just have see how it pans out ones its tested in the wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taviruni Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I want to make another comment, I'm sure you remember those cheap small 10 " mini laptops with 1 GB Ram (2 GB max.) with Intel Atom dual core at 1.6 GHZ, 7x86 Starter edition and a small HDD. They were good as a semi-pocket/briftcase device but with artificialy limited Ram because of starter licence limitations. If this new ARM based devices had beed designed as a cheap real laptop 8" to 10" device (with keyboard included as any real laptop) for semi-pocket/briftcase use, with a 128 GB SSD, HDMI, 4 USB last generation ports, WiFi and BT, headphone jack , even without expensive touch screen and with only 4 GB of Ram (expandable to 8 GB by adding a second Ram board), and maybe a cheaper 2 or 2.5 GHZ ARM CPU (tetra u octacore) with Winx64 for ARM or even better Linux Mint Cinnamon x64 OS, (without all telemetry + its load to the system performance) (I know this is not for ARM), and in a good reasonable price in acordance with the design I would do not dubt to by one for mysel. But at $1000 US without keyboard and with a size 13", I with no dubt would not buy one of these, no matter the especs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanderthunder Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Nonetheless, lets hope that this product doesn't end up like Windows RT-based Surface tablet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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