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3 hours ago, Karlston said:

...will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app...

 

Google play store and gmail app are popular indeed, but they are neither the only source of app nor the only email app. Phones without these two do work very fine.

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Alphabet Inc’s Google has suspended business with Huawei that requires the transfer of hardware, software and technical services except those publicly available via open source licensing, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters on Sunday, in a blow to the Chinese technology company that the U.S. government has sought to blacklist around the world.

 

Holders of current Huawei smartphones with Google apps, however, will continue to be able to use and download app updates provided by Google, a Google spokesperson said, confirming earlier reporting by Reuters.

“We are complying with the order and reviewing the implications,” the Google spokesperson said.

“For users of our services, Google Play and the security protections from Google Play Protect will continue to function on existing Huawei devices,” the spokesperson said, without giving further details.

The suspension could hobble Huawei’s smartphone business outside China as the tech giant will immediately lose access to updates to Google’s Android operating system. Future versions of Huawei smartphones that run on Android will also lose access to popular services, including the Google Play Store and Gmail and YouTube apps.

“Huawei will only be able to use the public version of Android and will not be able to get access to proprietary apps and services from Google,” the source said.

The Trump administration on Thursday added Huawei Technologies Co Ltd to a trade blacklist, immediately enacting restrictions that will make it extremely difficult for the company to do business with U.S. counterparts.

On Friday, the U.S. Commerce Department said it was considering scaling back restrictions on Huawei to “prevent the interruption of existing network operations and equipment”. It was not immediately clear on Sunday whether Huawei’s access to mobile software would be affected.

The extent to which Huawei will be hurt by the U.S. government’s blacklist is not yet known as its global supply chain assesses the impact. Chip experts have questioned Huawei’s ability to continue to operate without help from the United States.

Details of the specific services affected by the suspension were still being discussed internally at Google, according to the source. Huawei attorneys are also studying the impact of the blacklist, a Huawei spokesman said on Friday.

 

Huawei was not immediately reachable for further comment.

Chipmakers including Intel Corp, Qualcomm Inc, Xilinx Inc and Broadcom Inc have told their employees they will not supply critical software and components to Huawei until further notice, Bloomberg reported bloom.bg/2VLT5QK late on Sunday, citing people familiar with the matter.

Intel, Qualcomm, Xilinx and Broadcom did not immediately respond to requests for comments on the Bloomberg report.

Representatives of the U.S. Commerce Department did not immediately comment.

 

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Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license, known as Android Open Source Project (AOSP), that is available for free to anyone who wishes to use it. There are about 2.5 billion active Android devices worldwide, according to Google.

However, Google will stop providing Huawei with access, technical support and collaboration involving its proprietary apps and services going forward, the source said.

Huawei has said it has spent the last few years preparing a contingency plan by developing its own technology in case it is blocked from using Android. Some of this technology is already being used in products sold in China, the company has said.

In an interview with Reuters in March, Eric Xu, rotating chairman of Huawei, struck a defiant note in anticipation of retaliatory actions by U.S. companies. “No matter what happens, the Android Community does not have any legal right to block any company from accessing its open-source license,” he said.

Popular Google apps such as Gmail, YouTube and the Chrome browser that are available through Google’s Play Store will disappear from future Huawei handsets as those services are not covered by the open source license and require a commercial agreement with Google.

But users of existing Huawei devices who have access to the Google Play Store will still be able to download app updates provided by Google. Apps such as Gmail are updated through the store, unlike operating system updates which are typically handled by phone manufacturers and telecoms carriers, which the blacklist could affect, the source said.

The impact is expected to be minimal in the Chinese market. Most Google mobile apps are banned in China, where alternatives are offered by domestic competitors such as Tencent and Baidu.

 

Huawei’s European business, its second-biggest market, could be hit as Huawei licenses these services from Google in Europe.

“Having those apps is critical for smartphone makers to stay competitive in regions like Europe,” said Geoff Blaber, vice president of research, CCS Insight.

 

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-alphabet-exclusive/exclusive-google-suspends-some-business-with-huawei-after-trump-blacklist-source-idUSKCN1SP0NB

 

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Karlston

Similar topics merged.

 

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The AchieVer

Google services to continue working on existing Huawei Android devices

Android maker confirms it is clamping down on Huawei.

 

Google has confirmed that it will cease allowing Huawei to use its version of Android, instead requiring the Chinese giant to rely on the Android Open Source Project if it wants to use the platform. 

 

"For Huawei users' questions regarding our steps to comply w/ the recent US government actions: We assure you while we are complying with all US gov't requirements, services like Google Play & security from Google Play Protect will keep functioning on your existing Huawei device," the Android Twitter account said on Monday. 

 

Google Play Protect is a security service built into Google's Play Store that scans apps in the store and on user devices. 

 

While the details are scant, the tweet indicates that Google will not degrade the experience of phones already in use. Future Huawei phones will be without Google services. 

 

Huawei has been said to be developing its own OS as a backup for an Android ban. 

 

Given Huawei's recent move into consumer laptops, it remains to be seen whether Microsoft will join Google in an operating system ban. 

 

On Monday, the South China Morning Post reported that Lenovo had denied rumours it would stop supplying Huawei. 

 

Last week, United States President Donald Trump signed an executive order to declare a national emergency and ban US companies from buying, installing, or using foreign-made telecommunications equipment from companies that were owned, controlled, or subject to the jurisdiction or direction of foreign adversaries. 

 

Huawei and China were not named explicitly in the order.

 

The Chinese behemoth is already suing the Unites States government as it seeks to overturn its ban through the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

 

Filed in the US Federal Court in March, Huawei rotating chair Guo Ping said at the time the company is seeking a declaratory judgment that the NDAA restrictions were unconstitutional, as well as a permanent injunction against the restrictions.

 

"The US government has long branded Huawei a threat. It has hacked our servers and stolen our emails and source code," Guo Ping said. "Despite this, the US government has never provided any evidence supporting their accusations that Huawei poses a cybersecurity threat.

 

"Still, the US government is sparing no effort to smear the company and mislead the public about Huawei. Even worse, the US government is trying to block us from the 5G markets in other countries."

 

The company is currently facing a 10-count indictment alleging the company conspired to steal intellectual property from T-Mobile and subsequently obstructed justice, in addition to a separate 13-count indictment against the company and its CFO Meng Wanzhou. 

 

"The company denies that it or its subsidiary or affiliate have committed any of the asserted violations of US law set forth in each of the indictments, is not aware of any wrongdoing by Ms Meng, and believes the US courts will ultimately reach the same conclusion," Huawei said in January. 

 

The US Department of Justice is alleging that Huawei offered bonuses to employees for stealing information, before clarifying to its US employees that such behaviour would be illegal. 

 

"The charges unsealed today clearly allege that Huawei intentionally conspired to steal the intellectual property of an American company in an attempt to undermine the free and fair global marketplace," FBI Director Christopher Wray said at the time. 

 

"To the detriment of American ingenuity, Huawei continually disregarded the laws of the United States in the hopes of gaining an unfair economic advantage. As the volume of these charges prove, the FBI will not tolerate corrupt businesses that violate the laws that allow American companies and the United States to thrive."

 

 

 

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lolsee2

Google is backed into a corner and they're not doing this by choice, it's the law.

More ever this isn't anything new. The US has blacklisted/sanctioned other companies in other industries. It's the first time they've done this to a major Chinese consumer electronics company though.

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Intel, Qualcomm Wave Goodbye to Huawei, European Partners Likely to Follow 

Huawei’s largest suppliers are suspending their collaboration with the Chinese tech giant after a US government order imposing new restrictions.

 

Huawei’s largest suppliers are suspending their collaboration with the Chinese tech giant after a US government order imposing new restrictions.

 
Google banned Huawei from using the licensed version of Android and its proprietary services, like Gmail and YouTube, and now the Chinese company is very close to losing its biggest suppliers.

Bloomberg reveals that Intel, Qualcomm, and Broadcom are all waving goodbye to Huawei in an attempt to comply with the government order. Intel builds chips for Huawei laptops and servers.

Huawei produces its own mobile processors and modems, but it also buys tech from Qualcomm and Broadcom, two other American giants now planning to cut off their collaboration with the Chinese firm.

Nikkei writes that other suppliers are currently evaluating the impact of the new order signed by the Trump administration late last week. German chipmaker Infineon Technologies has already suspended its shipments to Huawei. Micron Technology and Western Digital took a similar decision as well, according to the same source.Similar trouble in Europe and AsiaEuropean suppliers, including here ST Microelectronics, are yet to shut down their shipments to Huawei, but on the other hand, they are evaluating the impact of the Trump order. Asia-based TSMC maintains deliveries as well, albeit it admits the decision could change in the near future.

Huawei, however, doesn’t seem to be worried, as the company has reportedly prepared for this moment by “stockpiling roughly six months to one year of key components,” as per Nikkei.

Furthermore, Huawei has recently revealed it was working on its own alternatives to Android and Windows should such a ban to use these would be imposed, yet it’s not yet known if the company is ready to make the switch to its in-house built operating systems at this point.

Huawei hasn’t commented on this new offensive against the company, but its lawyers said last week they were looking into how the Chinese tech giant would be affected by the new restrictions announced by the US.
 
 
 
 

 

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Arjun

As was expected from beggining... 2006/7
 

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straycat19

United States has waged a war against Chinese telecom giant Huawei for some time now. But now the big guys are joining the fight. According to reports, Google will stop all collaboration with Huawei.

Decision means that Huawei phones wont get any new Android updates, ever. It also means that all future Huawei phones will be blocked from accessing Google services. No access to Gmail, no access to Google Play store, etc. 

 

Huawei will still have an access to open sourced versions of Android, but without the access to Google's proprietary services and APIs. Google will also cease all collaboration and support for Huawei that involves Android development and testing, Reuters' sources say. 

 

Google's decision comes shortly after United States officially added Huawei to the U.S. trade blacklist. 

Huawei also owns popular sister phone brand, Honor, and the decision applies to that brand, too. 

 


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Google has confirmed the yesterday's news about Google revoking Huawei's Android license.

 

Company said that the decision is based on United States adding Huawei officially to the country's trade blacklist on Thursday and that it is simply obeying the decision made by the U.S. It also states that the decision wont affect the current Huawei phones and that those will still have access to Google's services and updates. However, it is not clear whether the current Huawei phones will continue to receive Android updates or updates to Google services. 

 

Huawei losing its Android license means that it has to rely on open sourced version of Android (AOSP) for its Android updates. This means that all new Android versions will arrive to Huawei models with considerable delay - sometimes the delays between the official Android update and AOSP update have been almost a year or so. 

 

More importantly, Huawei will lose its access to Google services. This means that all future models of Huawei phones must ship without Google services: Google Play Store, YouTube, Google search and Gmail. Google also denies all support to Huawei's Android device development. 

 

The decision also applies to Huawei's other brand, Honor.

 

INTEL and Qualcomm

 

After yesterday's decision by Google to revoke Huawei's Android license, more bad news are piling for Huawei. Now, U.S. semiconductor giants Intel and Qualcomm have stopped supplying parts to Huawei.

 

Even though Huawei has its own chip manufacturing business that produced Kirin chips and others for mobile phones, the company still relies heavily on U.S. chips for most of its other products. Effectively, the decision by Qualcomm and Intel will mean that the Huawei's PC manufacturing business ceases to exist. Only U.S. companies produce chips needed to build x86 compatible computers, at least in scale that is required by a giant like Huawei. 

 

Furthermore, some of the Huawei's phone models - especially those in the high end - use at least some U.S. -made chips - and this will mean trouble for those models, too. 

 

The decision is based on U.S. administration putting Huawei officially to its trade blacklist on Thursday, making it illegal for any U.S. company to do business with Huawei.

 

 

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DKT27

I did not know it was so big and highly used in Europe as someone people mentioned in other places.

 

Anyway, I am saying this for years. Not just one country, the agencies of many different countries have questions on this particular company. In hackers community there is also a belief that they are spying through either hardware or software based spyware through encrypted connections, not from now, but from decades. It's about time this particular company gets stopped. It's too risky if you ask me about it.

 

People think this is a fight between two big countries. For me who belong to neither of them, a company spying on me is of concern no matter who does it.

 

 

@straycat19: Topics merged.

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Edgar.Elooo

It's a fight over the control of information, nothing more or nothing less.

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Huawei has never sold a huge amount in the US though. The vast majority of their phone sales occured in China, India, and other large, more price sensitive markets.

 

Even in Europe, people were much more willing to pay the higher prices charged by western brands, until recently. Now Xiaomi, Huawei, OnePlus and etc are on the rise, but they still trail behind Apple and Samsung.

 

The higher prices western brands charge come with a trade-off though, consumers are holding on to these phones for longer periods of time, suppressing upgrade rates.

That's why other manufacturers are falling while Huawei rises, they're targeting growing markets.

 

The US is already saturated with smartphones. Huawei failed to make inroads there before the industrial espionage was exposed anyway.

 

The real damage of the ban is cutting off Huawei's access to Qualcomm and Google's IP. That makes it significantly harder to ship a feature complete phone, in any market.

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info999

would be really interesting if China decided to black list Apple ...

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teodz1984

china would do worst by denying usa and the capitalist companies rare earth metals

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dhjohns

People are just pissed because Huawei makes a better smart phone than all the rest.  

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BioHazard
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Looks like US companies are controlled by their government also

There is no evidence that HuaWei is spying, but there is plenty of evidence that US is spying on everyone. 

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The AchieVer

US grants temporary license for Huawei to support products

Huawei and its affiliates were granted a general license to continue supporting its networks and equipment through August 19, the Commerce Department said.

 

A few days after strictly limiting Huawei's ability to do business with US companies, the US Commerce Department on Monday issued a temporary license to the Chinese firm to keep support for its existing products. 

 

The temporary general license, effective from Monday through August 19, "authorizes engagement in transactions... necessary to maintain and support existing and currently fully operational networks and equipment, including software updates and patches, subject to legally binding contracts and agreements executed between Huawei and third parties" on or before May 16, a notice from the Commerce Department said. 

 

The license applies to existing Huawei handsets that were available to the public on or before May 16. It also authorizes US companies to disclose to Huawei information regarding security vulnerabilities in items owned, possessed, or controlled by Huawei. It also allows engagement with Huawei for the development of 5G standards as part of a duly recognized international standards body such as the IEEE.

 

In addition to Huawei, the license applies to the 68 non-US Huawei affiliates dubbed by the Commerce Department a potential threat to US national security or foreign policy interests. When the Commerce Department added Huawei to its "Entity List," it barred US companies from transferring technology to Huawei without a special license from the US government.

 

At the time, Huawei said the move would do significant economic harm to the American companies with which Huawei does business, affect tens of thousands of American jobs, "and disrupt the current collaboration and mutual trust that exist on the global supply chain."

 

Following the Commerce Department's move, Google decided to suspend Huawei's use of some parts of the Android operating system. Google has said that for current Huawei users, nothing changes yet. "We assure you while we are complying with all US gov't requirements, services like Google Play & security from Google Play Protect will keep functioning on your existing Huawei device," it said. Meanwhile, Huawei said that it would continue to provide security updates and after-sales services to all existing Huawei and Honor smartphone and tablet products, covering those have been sold or still in stock globally. 

 

 

 

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BioHazard

my next phone will be Huawei thanks to Trump I will not buy iPhone again :cheers:

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Microchips, massive blow: Huawei's vulnerability explained

The Huawei P30 Pro motherboard, which uses tech sourced internationally (Picture provided by iFixIt.com)Image copyrightIFIXIT
Image captionThe Huawei P30 Pro motherboard, which uses tech sourced internationally (Picture provided by iFixIt.com)

Google’s announcement that it was no longer able to work with Huawei is just one repercussion of the US decision to add the Chinese tech giant to its “entity list” of companies American firms cannot work with. 

 

The true impact to Huawei may be enormous. While we often refer to the firm's devices as simply “Chinese”, the reality is much more complicated - it sources parts and expertise from all over the world. The same can be said for the likes of Apple, of course, which relies at least in part on chips created by its rival, Samsung.

 

To get an idea of how disruptive the US move is, let's take a look at just one component of one device: the motherboard in Huawei’s flagship smartphone, the P30 Pro.

 

It's a circuit board that is barely the length of a finger - but one that relies on a web of complex supply chains and sourcing to make it possible and affordable.

One side of the P30 Pro motherboard (picture provided by iFixIt.com)Image copyrightIFIXIT
Image captionOne side of the P30 Pro motherboard (picture provided by iFixIt.com)

The P30 Pro’s RF transceivers (1) and audio chip (4, below) are made by HiSilicon, a China-based company wholly owned by Huawei - but that’s where the homegrown tech ends. 

 

The chip’s front end module (2) - which makes it able to engage with mobile network signals - is designed and manufactured by Skyworks, a semiconductor firm based in Massachusetts, USA, that falls under the US restrictions. 

 

An additional front end module (3) to handle different radio frequencies is made by Qorvo, a semiconductor firm headquartered in Greensboro, North Carolina. It is also affected by the ban. 

The flipside, showing an American-made flash storage chip (Picture provided by iFixIt.com)Image copyrightIFIXIT
Image captionThe flipside, showing an American-made flash storage chip (Picture provided by iFixIt.com)

On the reverse side, the flash storage (5) is designed by Micron Technologies, a 40-year-old semiconductor specialist based in Idaho, USA. This component means the P30 has 128GB of space on which to install the phone’s software - as well as space for the phone’s user to store pictures, video and so on. According to figures, some 13% of Micron’s annual revenue comes from supplying Huawei. 

 

And finally, you can see DRAM (6) (dynamic random access memory) designed and manufactured by SK Hynix, a South Korean firm that also supplies components to Apple and others. SK Hynix is not affected by the US restrictions, but there are diplomatic troubles here too: China has reportedly raised concerns that SK Hynix and other South Korean chipmakers are working together to drive up prices to China in order to capitalise on their expertise. The companies deny this.

Unpredictable future

This is just one motherboard, in one device.

 

Last year, Huawei released a list of its core suppliers and it included 33 US companies. As well as Google having to pull back on supplying its version of Android, major US technology suppliers including Xilinx, Qualcomm, Broadcom and Intel have all warned they will need to stop selling their technology to Huawei in order to comply with the ban. 

 

NeoPhotonics, a San Jose-based firm which makes networking equipment, has a contract with Huawei that represents 44% of its entire revenue. 

 

On Monday, the US Commerce Department issued a temporary licence that enabled some companies to continue supporting existing networks and devices - but longer term, it’s an unstable, unpredictable future for the cooperation between American and Chinese innovators. 

 

Analysts predict the decision could encourage China’s desire to build more technology within its own borders. That would be a difficult, costly, and in some areas sub-par, move to take. But long-term it would give China a chance to set its own standards on future technologies. 

 

That would hasten what some are referring to as the Balkanisation of the digital age: two separate internets that would each require different technologies in order to use them.

 

 

 

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jasonliul
On 5/20/2019 at 3:39 PM, lolsee2 said:

Google is backed into a corner and they're not doing this by choice, it's the law.

More ever this isn't anything new. The US has blacklisted/sanctioned other companies in other industries. It's the first time they've done this to a major Chinese consumer electronics company though.

China made a Great Firewall, already blacklist/sanction thousand companies from other country,

Only fight back one...

 

i have no idea, maybe we're panda. :tooth:

 

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BioHazard

It’s all for national insecurity 🤪

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mp68terr
On 5/20/2019 at 3:22 PM, straycat19 said:

Decision means that Huawei phones wont get any new Android updates, ever. It also means that all future Huawei phones will be blocked from accessing Google services. No access to Gmail, no access to Google Play store, etc.

Owning a phone from the Samsung galaxy series, it has been updated a couple of times in 2 years after it came on the market, then nothing. Low updates rate already for 'normal' companies keeping ties with google.

No access to google services here, phone working very fine that way.

 

Thanks-you to the devs and their unofficial ROM, without providers' and google's bloatware.

 

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DKT27

There is absolutely no doubt that companies known for selling cheap phones have made some of the great innovations. The problem is this particular company has strong suspicions of spyware in them.

 

20 hours ago, teodz1984 said:

china would do worst by denying usa and the capitalist companies rare earth metals

 

That too might not be anymore. I really do not want to get into political things, but some other country has found it too.

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6 hours ago, DKT27 said:

There is absolutely no doubt that companies known for selling cheap phones have made some of the great innovations. The problem is this particular company has strong suspicions of spyware in them.

 

Huawei always get money from "unknown" source, besides, you guys ever saw such huge company doesn't public listing?

It's some sort of monster living in the dark.

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