Reefa Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Sending out warnings is supposed to reduce the numbers of people using BitTorrent to obtain movies, TV shows and music without paying. It's far from clear how much difference they make but receiving one can't be the best of experiences for recipients. Some people, however, are receiving plenty of them yet still not changing their behavior. So just how many is enough? For the past several years, copyright holders in the US and Europe have been trying to reach out to file-sharers in an effort to change their habits. Whether via high-profile publicity lawsuits or a simple email, it’s hoped that by letting people know they aren’t anonymous, they’ll stop pirating and buy more content instead. Traditionally, most ISPs haven’t been that keen on passing infringement notices on. However, the BMG v Cox lawsuit seems to have made a big difference, with a growing number of ISPs now visibly warning their users that they operate a repeat infringer policy. But perhaps the big question is how seriously users take these warnings because – let’s face it – that’s the entire point of their existence. There can be little doubt that a few recipients will be scurrying away at the slightest hint of trouble, intimidated by the mere suggestion that they’re being watched. Indeed, a father in the UK – who received a warning last year as part of the Get it Right From a Genuine Site campaign – confidently and forcefully assured TF that there would be no more illegal file-sharing taking place on his ten-year-old son’s computer again – ever. In France, where the HADOPI anti-piracy scheme received much publicity, people receiving an initial notice are most unlikely to receive additional ones in future. A December 2017 report indicated that of nine million first warning notices sent to alleged pirates since 2012, ‘just’ 800,000 received a follow-up warning on top. The suggestion is that people either stop their piracy after getting a notice or two, or choose to “go dark” instead, using streaming sites for example or perhaps torrenting behind a decent VPN. But for some people, the message simply doesn’t sink in early on. A post on Reddit this week by a TWC Spectrum customer revealed that despite a wealth of readily available information (including masses in the specialist subreddit where the post was made), even several warnings fail to have an effect. “Was just hit with my 5th copyright violation. They halted my internet and all,” the self-confessed pirate wrote. There are at least three important things to note from this opening sentence. Firstly, the first four warnings did nothing to change the user’s piracy habits. Secondly, Spectrum presumably had enough at five warnings and kicked in a repeat-infringer suspension, presumably to avoid the same fate as Cox in the BMG case. Third, the account suspension seems to have changed the game. Notably, rather than some huge blockbuster movie, that fifth warning came due to something rather less prominent. “Thought I could sneak in a random episode of Rosanne. The new one that aired LOL. That fast. Under 24 hours I got shut off. Which makes me feel like [ISPs] do monitor your traffic and its not just the people sending them notices,” the post read. Again, some interesting points here. Any content can be monitored by rightsholders but if it’s popular in the US then a warning delivered via an ISP seems to be more likely than elsewhere. However, the misconception that the monitoring is done by ISPs persists, despite that not being the case. ISPs do not monitor users’ file-sharing activity, anti-piracy companies do. They can grab an IP address the second someone enters a torrent swarm, or even connects to a tracker. It happens in an instant, at a time of their choosing. Quickly jumping in and out of a torrent is no guarantee and the fallacy of not getting caught due to a failure to seed is just that – a fallacy. But perhaps the most important thing is that after five warnings and a disconnection, the Reddit user decided to take action. Sadly for the people behind Rosanne, it’s not exactly the reaction they’d have hoped for. “I do not want to push it but I am curious to what happens 6th time, and if I would even be safe behind a VPN,” he wrote. “Just want to learn how to use a VPN and Sonarr and have a guilt free stress free torrent watching.” Of course, there was no shortage of advice. “If you have gotten 5 notices, you really should of learnt [sic] how to use a VPN before now,” one poster noted, perhaps inevitably. But curiously, or perhaps obviously given the number of previous warnings, the fifth warning didn’t come as a surprise to the user. “I knew they were going to hit me for it. I just didn’t think a 195mb file would do it. They were getting me for Disney movies in the past,” he added. So how do you grab the attention of a persistent infringer like this? Five warnings and a suspension apparently. But clearly, not even that is a guarantee of success. Perhaps this is why most ‘strike’ schemes tend to give up on people who can’t be rehabilitated. torrentfreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virge Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 None, it has been proven time and time again, piracy does not hurt the sale of apps, music, games, movies, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge-Spammer Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 no stop me use utorrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 There is many people don't use p2p streaming is more popular since like 2015 now. Streaming Piracy Is Killing Download Piracy, Study Finds… https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/07/28/streaming-piracy-now-bigger-torrenting-report-finds/ And before in 2011 downloading from filelockers were more popular than p2p https://torrentfreak.com/top-10-largest-file-sharing-sites-110828/ Only it shifted back to torrents for a couple of years after the Feds closed down Megaupload and many other filelockers closed and became more strict and people started getting warning letters and they started blocking torrent sites then kodi and using android apps to stream became a big thing. So just because they stop using bittorrent don't men they stop pirating 1. They could of switched to streaming from filelockers . 2. They could of switched to downloading from file lockers. 3. They could of bought a vpn and there ISP just don't know they are torrenting 4. They could of bought a seed box and be torrenting direct 5. They could be using a cloud service to download or/and stream torrnets. Never people quit pirating they just evolve with the times, it always backfires on Hollywood every time. I never use no torrent client to download since like 2011 much and then I mostly only did it on a private site, even though i have 2 paid vpns and i still download and stream from torrent sites all the time. using cloud services and also i use filelockers a lot because after the seeds are dead and gone you can still find it on filelockers using a service i pay a few cents a day for . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekkio Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I think we share as pirates a common mindset, we're all saying the same things. Like DRM Sucks, Trust your customers, I want to download songs offline, etc... We're basically a population of people unsatisfied with today's repressive DRMs on Apps, Musics, Movies, etc... So we just go down the easiest path to liberate ourselves : We pirate it to be free of any and all restrictions. I for example hate HWID / Online registration on software, having to rely on anything online, etc. I also hate Deezer & Spotify for using proprietary, encrypted blobs for storing Music instead of MP3 files. Piracy will never stop till businesses stop enslaving their customers, why buy something full of DRM crap when you can get it free of any and all restrictions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rekkio said: I also hate Deezer & Spotify for using proprietary, encrypted blobs for storing Music instead of MP3 files. Spotify sucks because they offer no downloads and wants users to pay to remove ads , If you hate Deezer you must not have the right tools for the job because i can DL Decrypted MP3s and Flacs right from the Cow , But these services don't have everything but i got lots of other tricks up my sleeve to get music as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekkio Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, steven36 said: Spotify sucks because they offer no downloads and wants users to pay to remove ads , If you hate Deezer you must not have the right tools for the job because i can DL Decrypted MP3s and Flacs right from the Cow , But these services don't have everything but i got lots of other tricks up my sleeve to get music as well . I do have AllAVSoft to download from Deezer, but the point I'm making is that it should be a native feature on Deezer & Spotify. We can download the songs because we're using 'pirate' tools, but 'legit' users of the services are still suffering from being enslaved & having to be online all the time, abide by DRM restrictions, etc. By the way if you know some tools to download songs from Deezer & Spotify please tell me, I'll be glad to use them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rekkio said: I do have AllAVSoft to download from Deezer, but the point I'm making is that it should be a native feature on Deezer & Spotify. Dezzer offers downloads too there paid users Quote Deezer is a music streaming service rather than a place to download music. In order to have access to your music offline you need to have a Premium+ subscription in place. Users holding a Free subscription account will not have access to music downloaded for offline listening. https://support.deezer.com/hc/en-gb/articles/201168832-Keeping-Downloaded-Music- https://www.deezer.com/us/offers/ You not going get no quality from free streaming from these sites maybe 128kb/s even if using mod to remove the ads even YouTube is better and Vimeo is much better i mostly stream 320s via some Russian sites with big databases like paid for free via Kodi and my browser . But Dezzer still has a big hole in there api that you can dl for free from them hifi 16 bit Flac or MP3 320kb/s. But music has always been easy to find without them even . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekkio Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, steven36 said: Dezzer offers downloads too there paid users https://support.deezer.com/hc/en-gb/articles/201168832-Keeping-Downloaded-Music- https://www.deezer.com/us/offers/ You not going get no quality from free streaming from these sites maybe 128kb/s even if using mod to remove the ads even YouTube is better and Vimeo is much better i mostly stream 320s via some Russian sites with big databases like paid for free via Kodi and my browser . But Dezzer still has a big hole in there api that you can dl for free from them hifi 16 bit Flac or MP3 320kb/s. But music has always been easy to find without them even . May I ask how do you download FLAC from Deezer ? I could never download any FLAC, only Mp3 files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryrynz Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 15 hours ago, virge said: None, it has been proven time and time again, piracy does not hurt the sale of apps, music, games, movies, etc. You're quite wrong about this. I'm sure there's at least one thing that had you not found online would've eventually purchased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryrynz said: You're quite wrong about this. I'm sure there's at least one thing that had you not found online would've eventually purchased. I it just depends on the person, i started pirating back before the Internet sharing and copying cassette and vcr tapes , then in the dail-up days i graduated to copying DVD and CDs and i done it with things i purchased and rented , piracy may just mean you don't mind paying a few dollars to make a local copy other than paying full price for it . People pay for software and pirate software all the time and were i use Linux 95% of the time, i only pay for a few things witch is more than i bought for many years when I only used Windows. But today i have no need for Windows software other than for testing, so i sure would not pay for it if it was not online for free. Because most all my software is free, but a few things i use on Linux and I always pirated the other stuff even before the www or high speed , so why would i buy it just because it's not online? Piracy is way older than the Internet, even the scene we know today started on the BBS in the 1970s . People who download and pay a few pennies a day for a service to download or share on p2p is not very much different than back in the old days were we rented and purchased to make copies and shared with each other on the streets. Just today, technology and people monetizing off piracy makes it easier for a noob because they want there ad revenue and they will spoon feed people who don't know how to pirate and just because a company sells something don't mean anything, noobs buying fully loaded boxes to stream is a mass epidemic. And people make software to pirate everyday just like they been doing since back in the days of napster .Technology has always been it's own worse enemy, if there is a demand for it someone will make it, just like when i was a little kid and bought pirated 8 tracks from the Swap Meet . My parents introduced me to piracy when I was a kid by just buying me the latest technology that everyone used to do it with. It was not tell CD and DVD came along they try to make coping hard were you needed to buy a PC and needed software to remove DRM to copy it and we done it because the tech was there , and all that backfired in there face because today everyone just downloads and streams digital media mostly drm free and today they make pcs without a DVD drive even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virge Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Ryrynz said: You're quite wrong about this. I'm sure there's at least one thing that had you not found online would've eventually purchased. I have legally purchased Windows 10, Office 2016, ESET, Malwarebytes, WYSIWYG Web Builder and Macrium Reflect to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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