SURbit Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Isn't the real issue that MS has a one sided Vision for all users and we are all different - that's where all the Linux distros come in to play. Variety is the spice of life. When MS leave little room and the masses (IT - Techy) move away, then Linux is there to reap the innovation that's no longer to be found possible with MS. So will 4 years be the end of MS or in our lifetime at least. I personally like a desktop compared to other devices and a OS geared to desktops. It might mean I'll have to pay for it when the masses jump ship and come over to Linux but, I don't want to be stuck on a starship MS with only a view from one port window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VileTouch Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 minute ago, steven36 said: LOL , Most people who upgraded to windows 10 they are still stuck on DX 11 . The most used O/S is Windows 7 there all stuck on old DX . Only gamers seems to care about windows continuing to improve on directx . While the majority of the end users dont give a shit . Ether there hardware will not update to DX 12 or they dont care because there fighting tooth and nail to stay on windows 7 wrong. directx moves everything! not just pretty graphics. and some of the best features are backwards compatible. (did you see the first link?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Just now, VileTouch said: wrong. directx moves everything! not just pretty graphics. and some of the best features are backwards compatible. (did you see the first link?) How am i wrong? I dont see the masses going out and buying new hardware or computers just so they can use newer DX12 . I'm just fine with DX 11 for windows and QT on Linux for now . Im not a Linux evangelist or nothing like that I'm just a Linux user but I also use Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 . I dont use windows 10 though . But i get tired of Microsoft fanboys putting down Linux because they never used it or they make there living making apps for M$ windows , or there being paid to spew out M$ PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURbit Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Question to ask yourself is what OS do the Super computers run? Then the next question is what version of windows do business still run? If I'm not mistaken the first is Linux and the second is two versions back from (or 3) dang MS can't even count - it's 77777777777777777777777777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Always a new version of Direct X spells money something most people it always hates to spend . It only works in windows . Its a proprietary set of libraries . it causes you to have to buy new hardware or pcs years before you're pc hardware gives out if you want to utilize it. This the very reason Microsoft has had such a hard time selling windows . People didn't even want to upgrade from XP even now Windows 7 is like the new XP . If you're on Windows 10 and they dont make Windows 11 . If and when the they make Direct X 13 you will need to buy a new pc or hardware to utilize it. Its a viscous cycle that never stops . And its all about money. Quote On Windows, it's a fact that the DirectX graphics drivers are better maintained than the OpenGL graphics drivers. This is caused by the vicious cycle of vendor support. As game developers are driven from OpenGL to DirectX by other factors, the graphics card manufacturers (vendors) get less bug reports for their OpenGL drivers, extensions and documentation. This results in shakier OpenGL drivers, leading even more game developers to switch from OpenGL to DirectX. The cycle repeats. Similarly, it's a fact that more gaming graphics programmers know how to use DirectX than OpenGL, so it's cheaper (less training required) to make a game using DirectX than OpenGL. This is the result of another vicious cycle: as more game projects use DirectX, more programmers have to learn how to use it. As more programmers learn to use it, it becomes cheaper for game projects to use DirectX than to use OpenGL. http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX AMD is working to change this Linux will keep getting better and better . Even Microsoft loves Linux . But hatters are going to hate.and Windows users are going to pay , pay , pay , just to be on the www. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURbit Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Linux = Free Operating Systems upgrades for Life All Linux-based operating systems (for the most part) are completely free. You won’t find yourself driving to a Best Buy to buy your copy of Fedora Linux. All that is required is a USB flash drive, an Internet connection and the know-how to get it installed. There are hardly any operating systems based on the Linux kernel out there that cost money. Sure, some do cost a fee to get them going, but those are enterprise Linux distributions. When it comes to desktop Linux, the price is a modest $0. This is perfect for those who can’t spare the $199 cost to get a full-featured copy of Windows. Linux = Open Source Most, if not all, Linux distributions are made in part by open source technologies. A vanilla installation of your favorite Linux-based operating system likely won’t contain any closed-code programs. This makes it easier to give away the operating system for free, but it also means that modification of the operating system is legally allowed. This means that if you want, you can freely modify your operating system until your heart is content. If you’re really good at programming, you can even join up with your favorite Linux distribution and contribute to it. All of the code used is open and publicly available for everyone to see, and anything is possible. Linux = Free Programs More free stuff. Sounds good, right? If you were to install Ubuntu Linux on your laptop, you’d have access to tons of software totally free of charge. You see, Ubuntu operates on the notion that software should be free. Sure, if you look hard enough, you can probably find some programs that cost money, but paid software is largely a minority on the Linux platform. Yes, there are free programs on Windows too, but most of them are not first-class programs. Some people like to drink milk, some wine, some beer, M$ concept is everybody drink H2O at Bourbon's price. Then M$ recycles that H2O put's a new wrapper on it (UI) and pushes it back out to us. Look at all the 2006 drivers and other dated under the hood things that was in Vista in 10. My Gush would you buy a new model auto with a dated drivetrain from 06 -07 ? Linux = Your Privacy taken Seriously In Windows 10 your privacy is mostly disregarded. A lot of aspects to Windows 10 are less than privacy-friendly. When you use Microsoft’s new operating system, you are telling them that it is okay for them to collect data on you. They harvest information on your device’s location, your calendar data, emails and texts, contact info, and the list goes on. If you’re interested in reading the full write-up on how Microsoft handles your privacy, Christopher Harper has written an article about it here. https://www.maketecheasier.com/windows-10-privacy/ If you value your privacy, avoiding Windows 10 is a must. Most, if not all, Linux distributions take your privacy very seriously. You won’t find a bubbly talking assistant on your Linux desktop collecting data and information on you for financial gain. What’s even more important is that if a Linux distribution is found to disregard your privacy, it will be quickly called out by the large community of Linux developers and fixed quickly. Linux = Better Security One of Linux’s huge strengths is how seriously security is taken. When you install software it is impossible for you to do so without knowingly entering your password. What’s even better is that when you install a Linux distribution, all the software you will ever need is inside servers that are maintained by the developers of the operating system itself. They go through each and every package and verify that it isn’t malicious and even sign them. This removes the ability for malicious software to install itself (like on Windows). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VileTouch Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 49 minutes ago, SURbit said: Question to ask yourself is what OS do the Super computers run? Then the next question is what version of windows do business still run? If I'm not mistaken the first is Linux and the second is two versions back from (or 3) dang MS can't even count - it's 77777777777777777777777777 yes, super computers use linux because that is best for their intended purpose, where scalability and modularity are required. but for a workstation with many different devices that need to work together, different purposes and production software that simply doesn't exist in linux, the choice is either osx or windows preferably windows, for being more flexible hardware wise. but then you ask yourself.if osx is linux at it's core, how come it can run things that linux cannot? well for starters it doesn't rely on X11 or udev for everything (whoop dee doo!) not all companies run 7. most are stuck with xp thanks to some ancient software they rely on. but if your organization's workflow requires you to be on the bleeding edge (creative production mostly) then w10 is where it's at because your "last generation" hardware will work faster (or at least consume less resources) than it did with w7 (mostly graphics though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURbit Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Then graphics is eye candy for advertising which is right up there in the money chain - Yes. A modest person to a poor person is always behind in the ownership of the latest newly fandangle products out. Big business needs to change this and I think Linux be headed in this or a similar direction. Leveling the field, so to speak, do you not think a modest income also has bright and creative ideals to offer mankind? MS is good at trying to help mankind but, for its own bottom line. I think a revolution has started blowing in the wind and all big business, big profits, big advertising will suffer when people say enough is enough. Personally I have no ill's for MS except it's not open source, something I see as a country or private club that wants everybody's interest, money but tells you in restrictions I can or can't do something even though I have paid, to walk the walk and dance the dance. Transparency is the next world order venue this revolution will bring, hence we instead blow this frigging world up from greedy corporations. There is war because of profits of weapons sales, war is business that these profits drive. War is making old men richer and young men dead.... Trade follows the flag and war gives that flag motion. To me one life is not worth the corporation greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vibranium Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Remix OS (Android-based) is a dark horse in the PC OS race! I'm positive Microsoft executives are watching this development closely after they just about skidded out of the mobile racetrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 20 minutes ago, SURbit said: Then graphics is eye candy for advertising which is right up there in the money chain Linux has all kinds of eye candy though you can simply download about any theme you want or make you're own . Its open source meaning you dont need to use patchers , 3rd party software or only use M$ approved themes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 18 hours ago, steven36 said: This is a good question to ask NASA who uses Debian Linux to power the space station up there. And Linux is already in many cars . Because ISS can't afford a forced system restart after updates are installed on Windows 10. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 58 minutes ago, saeed_dc said: Because ISS can't afford a forced system restart after updates are installed on Windows 10. lol That didn't even make any sense dude and is totally off topic .The IS is not in space and i hope they all use windows 10 and M$ is turning them into nsa and the kgb right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 hours ago, steven36 said: That didn't even make any sense dude and is totally off topic .The IS is not in space and i hope they all use windows 10 and M$ is turning them into nsa and the kgb right now. Dude! ISS means International space station... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, saeed_dc said: Dude! ISS means International space station... Now i get what you're saying and its more like they cant afford a BSOD from windows 10 . They use to use windows XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 hours ago, steven36 said: Now i get what you're saying and its more like cant they afford a BSOD from windows 10 . They use to use windows XP XP didn't have BSOD? it doesn't receive any updates from M$ :/ plus installation takes about 45Mins but Windows 10 installs in 5Mins max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Just now, saeed_dc said: XP didn't have BSOD? it doesn't receive any updates from M$ :/ it was more stable only time it bsod on me was if i installed something that caused it to bsod . Windows 8.1 and 10 known to bsod just from a botched updates, Non of the military in the USA uses anything other than XP Linux or older stuff that should tell you something .. and the Navy still gets updates for XP they paid millions for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 hours ago, steven36 said: it was more stable only time it bsod on me was if i installed something that caused it to bsod . Windows 8.1 and 10 known to bsod just from a botched updates, Non of the military in the USA uses anything other than XP Linux or older stuff that should tell you something .. and the Navy still gets updates for XP they paid millions for them. is there anyway we can get our hands on those XP updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, saeed_dc said: is there anyway we can get our hands on those XP updates? Only way M$ will give updates for XP is to pay millions of dollars , The UK paid for awhile but they upgrade to windows 7 now , the IRS and the Navy still pay I know . Its a waste of taxpayers money they should have to switch to Linux too . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 hours ago, steven36 said: Only way M$ will give updates for XP is to pay millions of dollars , The UK paid for awhile but they upgrade to windows 7 now , the IRS and the Navy still pay I know . Its a waste of taxpayers money they should have to switch to Linux too . I know I mean maybe those updates get leaked so others can install it as well. Linux sux in terms of compatibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Just now, saeed_dc said: I know I mean maybe those updates get leaked so others can install it as well. Linux sux in terms of compatibility With what? windows programs . I'm on Linux right now I don't have no compatibility issues with Linux programs . When I feel the need to use windows programs I use windows . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 12 hours ago, steven36 said: With what? windows programs . I'm on Linux right now I don't have no compatibility issues with Linux programs . When I feel the need to use windows programs I use windows . That's because you just sometimes feel the need to use Windows, I constantly feel the need to use Windows and sometimes feel the need to use Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, saeed_dc said: That's because you just sometimes feel the need to use Windows, I constantly feel the need to use Windows and sometimes feel the need to use Linux Not really, i had been on windows for a few weeks , I was to lazy to switch back I just got around to it today, I'm the same way when on Linux I don't like fooling with changing pcs. I'm very versatile like that. i adapt to to things very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 hours ago, steven36 said: Not really, i had been on windows for a few weeks , I was to lazy to switch back I just got around to it today, I'm the same way when on Linux I dont fooling with changing pcs. Im very versatile like that i adapt to to things very easy. Adaption doesn't even cover it on Linux, specially distros like Ubuntu with fancy UI but when you need to do the real stuff as you do in Windows then you'll just find out that you know nothing about how it actually works, what are the commands in terminal and how dependent you are to text-based DOS-era window, that's why it sucks. Take group policy or active directory for example Nothing really beats Windows' UI, even programmers making UI for Windows can't beat the original Microsoft UI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, saeed_dc said: Adaption doesn't even cover it on Linux, specially distros like Ubuntu with fancy UI but when you need to do the real stuff as you do in Windows then you'll just find out that you know nothing about how it actually works, what are the commands in terminal and how dependent you are to text-based DOS-era windows, that's why it sucks. Take group policy or active directory for example What stuff? I can do everything on Linux that i use windows for . Only I need the terminal if I need to install something not in my software manger . Most Linux distros comes packed full of software out the box and there's much more you can get from the software manger or you can install other stuff via terminal if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 hours ago, steven36 said: What stuff? I can do everything on Linux that i use windows for . Only I need the terminal if i need to do install something not in my software manger . Most Linux distros comes packed full of software out the box and there's much more you can get from the software manger or you can install other stuff via terminal if you like. So tell me how do you share your Internet connection in a Linux (VM) to a Windows (Host) ? when they're both Windows this task is done in 1 minute. do you know how to do it that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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