How the Ukraine crisis ends

[mazigh]

So you just presumed that all Russians leaved Russia because they wanted :

better living standards, running from misery, dictatorship, injustice and tyranny

So your are basically marking people under just an assumption.

Did you asked yourself why Ukrainian people, that were borned and raised in Ukraine, want to join Russia too, not just those from Crimea?

1- The majority of them wanted one of the reasons I cited, or a combination of these reasons

2- My first intervention here were to notify about the increasing power of Russia over USA, We all know there is a lot of Russians in Ukraine, Ukraine is divided by Ultra-Nationalism between Ukrainians or Ukraino-phones (Majority) and Russians or Russo-phones (Minority), EU/USA and Russia are all responsible for the crisis

[AlexCross]

My friend, the crisis has 2 types of factors, traditional factors and common factors. One of the traditional factors is the boom in lending in large scale, strong growth in asset prices, especially real estate market, the lending in uncontrolled proportions of the economic agents, less or no solvent. One of the common factors, non-traditional is the inordinate appetite for profits that fueled the increase demand for high-risk assets, inadequate corporate governance and inadequate managerial stimulants in the financial institutions, and few other factors.

The real estate crisis in the US triggered a stagnation economy in the EU ( because of the tightening of credit conditions that fueled the decreasing prices).

If the economy of one strong country falls, it will trigger a domino effect.

What did the West expected from this crisis? They wanted to involve Russia more in the international system, as a solution to stop the falling economy. Something that Russia is refusing because of the tensions between they and the West.

Let me tell you, Russia has the resources to manage alone, for a long time, but the inevitable will occur sooner or later, if Russia enter in the dancing ring with the US and EU, then there will be none to arbitrare other's interests. Basically the US and EU cancer would take over the whole world's economy, fueled by military interventions to limit those who do not obey.

If the UK leave the EU in the next years, wich I strongly belive it will happen, the EU will be in a falling position, it will fuel the current crisis, and other countries will fallow the UK too. that's the future of the EU. Sure, this is something that US doesn't want to happen because they will lose their main ally (in this case, their puppet, the EU), and will be the last drop that would finish their economy.

Ukraine is already sold, they basically sold their country, they will never be able to pay the loan, this happened to Romania too, the country is sold. We have the biggest amount of gold and silver in the world, Rosia Montana, do you know how much of that we will get? only 6%, 6% of our own resourses.

You're getting your information from unreliable sources, that bring out only distorted information. Do you know that in Romania, the tv news are not allow to film the protesters that are protesting about Rosia Montana?

Edited March 18, 2014 by AlexCross

[J.D]

If the UK leave the EU in the next years, wich I strongly belive it will happen

That IMO will not happen because more than half the UK trade goes to Europe .

[AlexCross]

If the UK leave the EU in the next years, wich I strongly belive it will happen

That IMO will not happen because more than half the UK trade goes to Europe .

Some general info:

Quote:

Calls for a referendum on the EU:

There have increasingly been calls for the UK to hold a referendum on leaving the EU (the EEC's successor). In the UK, the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) campaigns for British withdrawal, achieving third place in the UK during the 2004 European elections and second place in the 2009 European elections – that time gaining the same number of seats as the governing Labour Party. The party is committed to holding a referendum on Britain's status in the European Union. UKIP have gained much support since the 2010 General Election, with a Survation poll in May 2013 showing them at a record 22%.

The rise of UKIP has threatened the current coalition government which has brought about a big debate in Britain on the issue of the EU, many of which wish to leave. Polls show that support for withdrawal going from 20%^[8] to 60%,^[9] depending on the wording of the question. In October 2009 a survey for the Daily Mail newspaper revealed that 58% of those polled wanted a referendum on the United Kingdom's membership of the EU.^[10] According to a Yougov poll in Britain published in September 2010, 47% would vote for Britain to leave the European Union and 33% would vote for Britain to remain a member of the European Union, with more older people in favour of leaving and more younger people in favour of remaining in the EU.^[11] In July 2011 due to a change in the Government's petition website which allows any petition which gathers more than 100,000 signatures to be debated in the House of Commons The Daily Express launched a petition to get a referendum on the United Kingdom leaving the European Union. As of 1 August 2011 days after its set up 700 people are signing an hour. However, Prime Minister David Cameron has refused to hold a referendum on the issue, stating that the 1975 referendum on the European Community represents the views of the people.^[12] Nevertheless, the Backbench Business Committee have agreed to hold a Parliamentary debate on whether a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU should be held by May 2013; the debate is to take place on 24 October 2011. The proposed referendum would offer three choices: keeping the status quo, reforming the terms, or withdrawal. Over 70 MPs signed the motion to debate the issue.^[13][14] According to a YouGov poll released on 23 October 2011, 66% of those questioned were in favour of a referendum on the European Union.^[15] In November 2012, according to The Guardian's website survey, 56% of Britons would vote to leave the EU in a referendum.^[16]

On 18 January 2013, a poll conducted by YouGov found that 40% of people were in favour of staying in the EU as opposed to 34% who favoured withdrawal.^[17]

On 23 January 2013, an MSN poll of MSN UK readers found 31% of respondents were in favour of continuing membership as opposed to 69% who favoured an exit.^[18]

On 25 January 2013, following David Cameron's in-out referendum pledge, in a poll conducted by Populus for The Times, 40 per cent of respondents said they would leave, 37 per cent said they would stay and 23 per cent said they did not know how they would vote. The Times suggested that, correcting for don't knows and likelihood of voting, this translated into 53% voting in favour of leaving the EU and 47% voting in favour of remaining in the EU.^[19]

^{Other parties which advocate for withdrawal from the EU:}

^{Czech Republic}

• ^{Party of Free Citizens}

^France

• ^{Popular Republican Union (2007) [24]}
• ^{Pole of Communist Revival in France (PRCF)[25]}
• ^{Political Movement for People's Emancipation (France) (M'PEP)}

^Finland

• ^{Independance Party (Finland) of Antti Pesonen}

^Greece

• ^{Communist Party of Greece}

^Italy

• ^{For the Common Good}

^{The Netherlands}

• ^{Party for Freedom}

^Poland

• ^{Congress of the New Right}

Edited March 18, 2014 by AlexCross

[J.D]

Calls for a referendum on the EU:

You must remember, those Parties are all 'minority Parties' - UKIP may replace the Lib-Dem party in 3rd place but currently only ~10-15% support for the Lib-dems and UKIP will likely come 3rd displacing the Lib-dems in to 4th .

[ffi]

Calls for a referendum on the EU:

You must remember, those Parties are all 'minority Parties' - UKIP may replace the Lib-Dem party in 3rd place but currently only ~10-15% support for the Lib-dems and UKIP will likely come 3rd displacing the Lib-dems in to 4th .

You have to remember we in the Netherlands (as did France and Ireland) did get a referendum on the EUSSR, the vote was a massive NO (2/3rd!!! in the Netherlands) but the result was completely ignored!

[J.D]

Calls for a referendum on the EU:

You must remember, those Parties are all 'minority Parties' - UKIP may replace the Lib-Dem party in 3rd place but currently only ~10-15% support for the Lib-dems and UKIP will likely come 3rd displacing the Lib-dems in to 4th .

You have to remember we in the Netherlands (as did France and Ireland) did get a referendum on the EUSSR, the vote was a massive NO (2/3rd!!! in the Netherlands) but the result was completely ignored!

True but we won't get a 2/3 majority that want out so it becomes irrelevant - max 20-25% go for out but do agree with your wording eg EUSSR :D

[ffi]

True but we won't get a 2/3 majority that want out so it becomes irrelevant - max 20-25% go for out but do agree with your wording eg EUSSR :D

Before the referendum the polls predicted a split but it turned out a big win for the NO-camp. I have long suspected the pollers to manipulate the polls for political purposes eg by polling party X very high long before an election than suddenly have that party lose in the run up to the election, in the hope people don't want to vote for a loser (and afterwards be surprised by the result that party X scored so high, it has happened now in every election since LPF and later the PVV took part )