ffi Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!When two (or more) consenting adults are forbidden to interact how they choose to then there is no freedom, so when pornography is illegal then there is no freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!Yeah, Porno is not my idea of freedom, either - it was (but, no longer is.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffi Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!Yeah, Porno is not my idea of freedom, either - it was (but, no longer is.)Freedom is about having a choice to do something or not doing it, so it might not be your idea but I will repeat what I wrote above: When two (or more) consenting adults are forbidden to interact how they choose to then there is no freedom, so when pornography is illegal then there is no freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!Yeah, Porno is not my idea of freedom, either - it was (but, no longer is.)Freedom is about having a choice to do something or not doing it, so it might not be your idea but I will repeat what I wrote above: When two (or more) consenting adults are forbidden to interact how they choose to then there is no freedom, so when pornography is illegal then there is no freedomEverybody has their own opinion about freedom - that opinion itself; is . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . freedom.Opinion may/or may not change with the times (as the individual evolves.)I respect what freedom means for you. BTW, what the EU decides to do and what it also finally manages to do will have zilch effect on my personal pornography sight-seeing.BTW, do you have a son/daughter who is a teen - nothing personal, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davhag Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The bad thing about Porn in America is it gets tax money bail outs and the only industry that makes money as we send it all over the world. WE will Pay soon. God will hold us responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davhag Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Of all my addictions, Porn has been the one i have not been able to shake let. But if you ever were addicted to anything, you know to never give up and take it one day at a time, and you will have slip and falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Just recently attended a full-blooded retreat to shake off my porno addiction - have decided to steer clear, this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davhag Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Congrats!!!!!!!!!! :yes: :yes: :yes: As u can see by my avatar, I am still fighting it. I do find that I do not care for it as I did, or as I should say I LOVED it. I have prayed over it and know the Father does things in his time and his schedule when he knows i can best beat it. So It is nothing I dwell on, but the old dragon gets me wrapped up in his tail ever so often, and he can hold me there for a while. But my spirit works on me and the Father send help to get me loose. Its just when I look back, I turn and run the other way to be captured once again.I changed my avatar, I just got an email from an old porn tube that still had my e-mail adress. He is tempting me. Figure i better change my avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator DKT27 Posted March 11, 2013 Administrator Share Posted March 11, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!No, not at all. However, censoring something means taking away the "freedom" of access.It's of course matter of opinions. For you, it must be the most evillest thing on the earth (just an example) but for some, it may be the only way of letting themselves feel or know about things (no vulgar hints here).Also consider this, will banning porn stop porn watchers? No, it won't, only the access will be less, but if someone wants to watch porn, he will always make ways. For it to be amended on ground level, will require significant amount of money and effort.Personally, I'll be more happy for EU to concentrate on their financial crisis and other difficulties than waste their time and investment on stopping some porn watchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffi Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!Personally, I'll be more happy for EU to concentrate on their financial crisis and other difficulties than waste their time and investment on stopping some porn watchers.once they can stop porn, they eussr can stop anything, totalitarian control always starts with something which seems noble (women's rights in this case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davhag Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Agree somewhat DKT27. But it is like you say even why in Anerica they will not make abortion illegal. People will always find a way to get what they want. But sometimes those things we want can take over our lives. Sex is wonderful in moderation like alcohol. If used properly and in a legal way and in a benefit for the other. I think it will come down to what kind of pope they elect, and how hard he pushes for the EU to be more catholic and conservative. After all, Germany is about the only one that has any funds, and they have always protected the catholic church. Not they always follow their own teachings, just like a parent and child. My house was do as I say and not as I do. Now if I could do it over after my daughters have admmitted to some drugs and life they have tried. I see where I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!When two (or more) consenting adults are forbidden to interact how they choose to then there is no freedom, so when pornography is illegal then there is no freedomI don't understand, wouldfilming pornographic movies be outlawed? Or would only streaming them through media be outlawed? If it's the latter case, then they don't forbid anyone to do anything by mutual consent, they only censor mainstream media outlets, which in its core sense means restricting accessibility to information or certain material (in other words, restricting freedom). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezza Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The shocking effects of online porn addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpmule Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 This -> http://www.dumblaws.com/The planet is run by morons that should be shot and pissed on !Where does it end ? encroaching on our freedom traditionally is done in increments, bit by bit..I'd sooner point a jumbo jet at the dirt and laugh with an evil grin on my face all the way downbefore i let scummy little douche's violate my rights.This is a situation where people who don't want or need something are trying to prevent others who do..that is sticking your nose in other peoples business where it does NOT belong !You don't wanna watch porn then don't ..simple as that.Oh but what about the children ?What about them ? Does anyone think kids can't either ignore porn or tolerate it ?Has anyone seen a kid complain about porn exposure ?I guess its ok to put them through mental abuse with horror movies though ?http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1331307/parentalguide <- movie info for DREADIf porn is banned i want bible thumpers banned.. i had to deal with some smug idiots nagging me at my door the other day.these so called christians should be banned from trying to jam their propaganda down peoples throats by luring peopleinto a bloody cult.. i wish these nutjobs would just stay in the (Waco) Compound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siegeBut hey freedom is freedom right ? or is it just the freedom i want to let others have ?Funny part of this is what could happen is the people fighting this could be made up of two groups..Anti-piracy Trolls AND File sharers.. think about it.. that is messed up lolLaws like this remind me off how the Taliban enforced crazy laws.Bottom line is times have changed and governments can TRY and pull any kind of dumb crap they wantBUT if they take things too far, a LOT of people will be pissed off and will over throw the governments bs.Far too many examples of this happening from big to small.. the will of the people only grows stronger..We aren't gonna take any shit period. So by all measn do ANYTHING you want (governments) just be ready to deal with the repercussions of your actions ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffi Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 So, pornography translates to "freedom" these days? Gimme a break!When two (or more) consenting adults are forbidden to interact how they choose to then there is no freedom, so when pornography is illegal then there is no freedomI don't understand, wouldfilming pornographic movies be outlawed? Or would only streaming them through media be outlawed? If it's the latter case, then they don't forbid anyone to do anything by mutual consent, they only censor mainstream media outlets, which in its core sense means restricting accessibility to information or certain material (in other words, restricting freedom).There is also mutual consent between the viewer and the actors, although not explicitly of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffi Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Everybody has their own opinion about freedom - that opinion itself; is . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . freedom.No you cannot make your definition freedom, freedom is a natural law like gravity, it stems from property right, you are the owner of your own body, no one else is, and you are the only person entitled to the fruits of your labor. Opinion may/or may not change with the times (as the individual evolves.) I respect what freedom means for you. BTW, what the EU decides to do and what it also finally manages to do will have zilch effect on my personal pornography sight-seeing.I don't care if the ban will be totally ineffective, it is immoral to ban pornography because it fundamentally violates peoples right to their own bodies and the fruits of their labor. BTW, do you have a son/daughter who is a teen - nothing personal, just curious.No, I have a sweet baby girl. I wouldn't like it if she became a pornstar but I much rather live in a world in which she were a pornstar than in one in which pornography is forbidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 No you cannot make your definition freedom, freedom is a natural law like gravity, it stems from property right, you are the owner of your own body, no one else is, and you are the only person entitled to the fruits of your labor.I already have - what are you gonna do about that? :huh:I don't care if the ban will be totally ineffective, it is immoral to ban pornography because it fundamentally violates peoples right to their own bodies and the fruits of their labor.I don't give a shit for that, either.I much rather live in a world in which she were a pornstarAll the best to a successful career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivenson Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 ffi, on 12 Mar 2013 - 13:41, said:No you cannot make your definition freedom, freedom is a natural law like gravity, it stems from property right, you are the owner of your own body, no one else is, and you are the only person entitled to the fruits of your labor.I already have - what are you gonna do about that? :huh:.... :think: !! :boxing: ............. :tooth: :tooth: :tooth:ffi, on 12 Mar 2013 - 13:41, said:I don't care if the ban will be totally ineffective, it is immoral to ban pornography because it fundamentally violates peoples right to their own bodies and the fruits of their labor.I don't give a shit for that, either. :towel: :towel: :towel:ffi, on 12 Mar 2013 - 13:41, said:I much rather live in a world in which she were a pornstarAll the best to a successful career. :coolwink: ... :dribble: ...................................... :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautilus Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Won't happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffi Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Won't happen...Whether it will or will not happen, how could we have ever let it come this far that a bunch of unelected and unwanted money grabbers have this power over us is beyond me. We need to get out of the EUSSR asap. You should know what happens when different peoples are forced to live together in an union, ruled by a political class who no one ever elected or wanted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 An old jungle saying is; if you want to get something done (for example, a petition to be signed) - use all the persuasion at your disposal to win over allies; but never commit the cardinal blunder of antagonizing anyone.Edit:When you quote somebody - that person is obliged to respond to you in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 So today is the voting. At what time and when will the results be in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calguyhunk Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Amazing how anything to do with pr0n always manage to wind up nerdy boys on tech forums and matronly women on feminist talk shows. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcs18 Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 All the best, guys!!! :)I've seen this drama many a times - where we come from (it's known as politics.) :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davhag Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 EU porn ban voted down amid censorship concernshttp://rt.com/news/eu-porn-ban-censorship-concerns-176/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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