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Knightmare
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Last night, I played a game and when I exited the game normally, Windows came up with an error stating that the program closed unexpectedly--which it didn't because I was the one who closed it. I ran Wise Disk Cleaner and Wise Registry Cleaner after I did an update on Windows 7 just to clean out some junk files and see if that would help the game. I didn't get a chance to play the game again after I cleaned the system since it was late. I went to bed, but during the middle of the night, my computer monitors came on without me doing anything to the computer (moving the mouse, touching the keyboard, etc.) so I got out of bed and forced the displays to sleep again. Later, the same thing happened with the displays, so I shut down the computer all together. When I woke up, I tried to turn on the computer, but it wouldn't boot into Windows. The lights on the case came on but there was no display. The lights would come on, then go off again after a second, then it would come back on again with only the lights and no display. I flipped the power switch in the back and opened the case to see if any of the cables were loose. I checked a hdd cable and the gpu cable, which seemed to be okay. I flipped the switch in the back and turned on the computer with the case open, and I noticed that the back fan on the system did not turn on. I wasn't sure if this would prevent the computer from turning on or not.

 

This isn't the first time that this has happened, in regards to the system not booting and only showing lights. When I installed my SSHD and went to boot the computer, I had the same issue with the lights coming on but no display. I just reseated all of my drives and that seemed to fix the issue. I just don't understand why this is randomly happening. I fear that there might be a shortage somewhere, and I'm hoping it's just one component that's shorting out.

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flash48

Many years ago I had a similar problem.  When I could not find anything wrong,  I wanted to call an exorcist :D.   Then I  noticed a power wire for one of my fans was loose and it was randomly shorting out my motherboard.  Check you fans especially the one in the side panel which gets removed when you get inside the case.

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neofita

a GPU issue? :unsure: 

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Israeli_Eagle

That smells like the power supply died... Nothing is forever, so try to change it.

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Knightmare
40 minutes ago, neofita said:

a GPU issue? :unsure: 

How could I test this?

 

5 minutes ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

That smells like the power supply died... Nothing is forever, so try to change it.

Is there anything I should test/do before I just throw money at a new PSU?

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Israeli_Eagle
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9 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

Is there anything I should test/do before I just throw money at a new PSU?

 

You could only check all voltages, but they mostly work only under load. Hmmm...
Which PSU you use exactly and how old?

 

And GPU usually never die, only sometimes have PCIe problem and fixed when card out and in again.

 

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Knightmare
15 minutes ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

 

You could only check all voltages, but they mostly work only under load. Hmmm...
Which PSU you use exactly and how old?

 

And GPU usually never die, only sometimes have PCIe problem and fixed when card out and in again.

 

Here's the PSU that I have installed: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139051

 

I built the computer about 3 years ago.

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Israeli_Eagle
12 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

Here's the PSU that I have installed: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139051

 

I built the computer about 3 years ago.

 

Yep, might happened and died. Look into the reviews there!

I myself prefer the last years BeQuiet! PSUs.

 

https://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply

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6 minutes ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

 

Yep, might happened and died. Look into the reviews there!

I myself prefer the last years BeQuiet! PSUs.

 

https://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply

Well that sucks. What would the symptoms be if the motherboard were the issue?

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Israeli_Eagle
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5 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

Well that sucks. What would the symptoms be if the motherboard were the issue?

 

Hmmm... Most often only happens when bad motherboard, too high overclocked or had already some time temperature problems. But the basic voltages would still be there, for example fans or via SATA.

 

Of course, anything might happen. But I myself would bet on PSU. ;)

 

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7 minutes ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

 

Hmmm... Most often only happens when bad motherboard, too high overclocked or had already some time temperature problems. But the basic voltages would still be there, for example fans or via SATA.

 

Of course, anything might happen. But I myself would bet on PSU. ;)

 

Should I get a fully modular psu or semi modular like the one I have now? I'm just wondering if the fully modular psu will come with the cables or not.

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25 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

Should I get a fully modular psu or semi modular like the one I have now? I'm just wondering if the fully modular psu will come with the cables or not.

 

Most often semi-modular is fully enough. And BeQuiet! PSU always comes with a full cable set.

 

P.S.: Another small hint is when motherboards die you smell that usually in your room (for example R68 burnt)...

 

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Knightmare

Now I just need to figure out the watts that I need. I think 750 is too much. I might be able to get away with 650.

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4 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

Now I just need to figure out the watts that I need. I think 750 is too much. I might be able to get away with 650.

 

Yeah... And maybe even less, for example 550W. More is usually only needed when multiple GPUs or older & very strong GPU etc.

 

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1 minute ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

 

Yeah... And maybe even less, for example 550W. More is usually only needed when multiple GPUs etc.

Is there anything negative about getting too much power?

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3 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

Is there anything negative about getting too much power?

 

Nope, only cost more.

But better never use the Watts fully, old rule max 90%.

 

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Knightmare
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Do you think the fan in the back not starting up would have anything to do with the boot loop?

 

Also would my UPS cause any issues with shortage?

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2 hours ago, Knightmare said:

Do you think the fan in the back not starting up would have anything to do with the boot loop?

 

Also would my UPS cause any issues with shortage?

 

Hmmm, usually the fans are independent when booting up. Do you have really a visible loop at all?

The UPS you can easily check if you simply take it out and instead a direct power cable.

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13 minutes ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

 

Hmmm, usually the fans are independent when booting up. Do you have really a visible loop at all?

The UPS you can easily check if you simply take it out and instead a direct power cable.

What do you mean a visible loop?

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7 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

What do you mean a visible loop?

 

Means... That you really see something booting.

Stuck vs Loop :coolwink:

You can enter the BIOS for example?? If so then stop the PSU order, most probably totally ok then.

 

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20 minutes ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

 

Means... That you really see something booting.

Stuck vs Loop :coolwink:

You can enter the BIOS for example?? If so then stop the PSU order, most probably totally ok then.

 

No, I don't see any thing on the screen. The computer has lights on the case and the motherboard, but they stay on for a second--maybe even half a second--then it cuts off. Then a second later, it will do the same thing again. There is no display on the screen at all, so I can't get into the bios.

 

I think it's the same problem that this guy is describing.

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Israeli_Eagle
5 minutes ago, Knightmare said:

No, I don't see any thing on the screen. The computer has lights on the case and the motherboard, but they stay on for a second--maybe even half a second--then it cuts off. Then a second later, it will do the same thing again. There is no display on the screen at all, so I can't get into the bios.

 

I think it's the same problem that this guy is describing.

 

Ah ok, I thought so. So actually no loop at all... Loop means usually when starting Windows (visible) some time and then reboots again.
Still PSU is candidate #1. And if not you can give back to Amazon, no problem at all.
But I also recommend trying first without the UPS, because batteries and their electronics are also not forever. ;)

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58 minutes ago, Israeli_Eagle said:

 

Ah ok, I thought so. So actually no loop at all... Loop means usually when starting Windows (visible) some time and then reboots again.
Still PSU is candidate #1. And if not you can give back to Amazon, no problem at all.
But I also recommend trying first without the UPS, because batteries and their electronics are also not forever. ;)

Can do. I always assumed that if the battery in a UPS died or malfunctioned that it would just turn into a surge protector. I do run tests on the UPS and it says that it's fine. I'll try it without the UPS though. I'm also going to try just reseating everything because I don't think that will hurt anything. The power supply isn't going to arrive until Tuesday anyway.

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