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Singapore leads the world in broadband speeds while the UK and USA trail behind

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steven36    9,850
steven36

Actually Singapore may have problems downloading somethings due too internet censorship  and need a VPN   witch will slow it down a lot  and there internet has high latency. .

http://sahrzad.net/blog/internet-censorship-in-singapore

 

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    • Singapore blocks access to content which is objectionable on the grounds of security, relations to other nations, harmful to public order, or of poor morality. This includes movies, websites, newspapers, etc.
    • News outlets (even bloggers) must register with Singapore's MDA in order to provide content to an audience > 100K people. In fact, this was recently enforced on a popular Singaporean blogger, 

           Most addresses have FTTP which allows for >= 100Mbit connectivity -- granted you're still "far" from the real Internet (USA) in terms of latency.

     

     

    How Latency Can Make Even Fast Internet Connections Feel Slow.

    https://www.howtogeek.com/138771/htg-explains-how-latency-can-make-even-fast-internet-connections-feel-slow/

     

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    pc71520    1,124
    pc71520

    Sweden :sadbye:

    was and is

    among the Fastest.

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    DKT27    6,857
    DKT27

    Last time I checked SK was leading in the list.

     

    20 hours ago, steven36 said:

    Actually Singapore may have problems downloading somethings due too internet censorship  and need a VPN   witch will slow it down a lot  and there internet has high latency. .

    http://sahrzad.net/blog/internet-censorship-in-singapore

     

       

      How Latency Can Make Even Fast Internet Connections Feel Slow.

      https://www.howtogeek.com/138771/htg-explains-how-latency-can-make-even-fast-internet-connections-feel-slow/

       

       

      Interesting you mention that. A lot of good ping servers easily accessible from India are located there, even some good openNIC DNS servers are located there.

       

      About latency, while this is subjective and up for correction. I really think fiber has better latency than ADSL at same distance from the ISP. Now, the difference might not be big, but considering ADSL uses completely different equipment at ISP level and fiber lines are better in terms of quality than ADSL lines, it also mean it is less likely to have packet loss when compared to ADSL I think.

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      steven36    9,850
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      2 hours ago, DKT27 said:

      Last time I checked SK was leading in the list.

       

       

      Interesting you mention that. A lot of good ping servers easily accessible from India are located there, even some good openNIC DNS servers are located there.

       

      About latency, while this is subjective and up for correction. I really think fiber has better latency than ADSL at same distance from the ISP. Now, the difference might not be big, but considering ADSL uses completely different equipment at ISP level and fiber lines are better in terms of quality than ADSL lines, it also mean it is less likely to have packet loss when compared to ADSL I think.

      It's not what people from Singapore  say.

       

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      I feel that recently my internet drop like hell. I am using starhub. I asked all my friends, both starhub and singtel users. All also complains the internet in Singapore recently drop. Like sometimes I cannot load website like Facebook, I had to reload 1 more time to get the website loaded. All my friends live in different areas. Like Toa Payoh, Hougang, Yishun and Yio Chu Kang. It affected both isp so its not reasons like (A lot people using internet at your block!). Please share your experience here!!!

       

      Many more are complaining in this post from  AUG 2017

      http://sgforums.com/forums/2250/topics/407008

      Path of Exile high latency

      https://community.starhub.com/t5/Fibre-BroadBand/Path-of-Exile-high-latency/td-p/127940
      

      There are many more topics  at these fiber providers websites seems they have trouble quite a lot  if you care too look them up. :)

       

      People in the USA can be on really slow internet 3 Mbps DSL  and websites like Facebook will load OK . Witch most of us have much faster than that . Anybody i talk too on  wireless here say there internet  is never stable fast sometimes and slow sometimes.  The biggest problem with DSL is the further you live out the longer the Line is so it slows you down some  but it do not cause high latency  like those guys are having in Singapore... But satellite and wireless is really bad in the USA for  high latency and you never get what you pay for.

       

       

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      steven36    9,850
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      @DKT27 one thing these articles never explain  is why the USA lags behind  it's because fiber don't really sell good in places that have a lot of competition . This is the reason Google laid off workers at Google fiber  people just really didn't want  it like they thought .. What good is having something no one hardly will buy?

       

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      Google Fiber: will it right the ship, or crash the boat?

       

      Google Fiber, despite its still-small subscriber footprint, still generates plenty of hype, even after pulling back on its ambitious growth plans.

      With a commitment to big US cities, gigabit wireless networking, and ongoing fiber technology development, Google Fiber appears to be in for the long haul but it must fill its leadership vacuum quickly.

      Half a decade ago, Google Fiber announced its intentions to blow up the US broadband market by building out its own gigabit fixed broadband service – a massive improvement over most cable and telco broadband services currently offered – for only $70 per month.

      After launching service in Kansas City and Austin, the company also boldly declared it would be expanding the Google Fiber footprint into dozens of new US cities, leading to a flurry of excitement.

      Google Fiber’s aggressive plans fizzled out in October 2016, when it announced plans to halt expansion in 10 core cities (though two more are apparently in the pipeline).
      What happened?

      Reality bit Google Fiber hard.

      Despite the hype, and plethora of regulatory exemptions, it was not gaining expected subscriber traction.

      The lack of voice service and lack of demand for gigabit service were factors.

      Many potential customers opted for cable alternatives, where competitively priced triple-play bundles (many with lower-speed broadband) proved more alluring.

      Also, content carriage costs for Google Fiber’s pay-TV service were higher than those paid by cable and other pay-TV operators because of Google Fiber’s limited distribution.

      The fourth quarter 2016 pull-back also saw the exit of Google Access CEO Craig Barratt, as well as the first of two workforce reductions.

      Barratt’s replacement, Gregory McCray, lasted only five months before his departure in July. Google Fiber is now looking for a replacement.

      So, what does the future hold for Google Fiber? There are three key factors to consider:

          The company claims to be committed to serving its core markets… which Google Fiber just expanded to include Louisville, Kentucky this past April. However, when, where and – most importantly – how many, remains to be seen.

          Google Fiber acquired Webpass in 2016, which delivers Gigabit broadband over short-range wireless (millimeter wave radio) networks. Webpass is designed to address urban residential buildings, and can supplement the company’s fixed broadband fiber network. Adding in Webpass to its arsenal significantly expands Google’s options within dense urban areas.

          Google Fiber’s technology development team has proposed a new passive optical networking standard, Go Long, which promises to make fiber deployments much more feasible and lower cost. Clearly, the company would not be investing in such R&D without hopes of a return on investment. However, it’s not clear whether that ROI would come from Google Fiber launching new metros, or by encouraging more fiber deployments not by Google Fiber, but by traditional telcos and cable operators. Either way, the end goal for Google is likely more eyeballs and richer advertising opportunities.

      These three factors seem to counter any speculation that Google Fiber will be exiting the fixed broadband market anytime soon.

      However, what the company needs is to fill its leadership vacuum, and fast. Without a CEO, Google Fiber is a ship without a captain, sailing into some exceptionally strong gales which can crash the boat.

      https://www.verdict.co.uk/google-fiber-will-right-ship-crash-boat/

      There is not very much demand for Gigabit  internet in places were people have a choice  it just drives the prices down via ADSL and cable providers were it is even more hard too sell . Of course in places were most of the country don't have nothing too chose from but fiber it would sell best but it's  not going too ever be really successful were people have lots of choice . Same as other fiber providers who are experimenting with it in some cites the demand is not high enough for them too expand it everywhere so they just pick places were have the most internet users so far. We would rather them bring us 100 Mbps to 100% of customers than 1 Gigabit too only 10% of the USA.

       

      And Google Fiber according too Consumer Report is the best in the USA you can get and still no big demand for it regardless of the hype.

      https://www.consumerreports.org/tv-service/is-now-the-time-to-get-rid-of-cable-tv/

       

      No more than 10mbps is needed to stream hd and many people on  1 Gigabit  fiber internet are having problems in the USA  too even stream YouTube and Netflix  if you go too DSL reports and read . So it's not just a problem in Singapore.

      http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31539668-Awful-YouTube-Connection-Fiber-1-Gigabit

       

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      info999    89
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      what happened to south korea ? didn't even make it in the list ?

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      pc71520    1,124
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      5 hours ago, info999 said:

      what happened to south korea ? didn't even make it in the list ?

      No 16: "Korea"

      with Average Speed 22.9

      refers to South Korea.

      ;)

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      steven36    9,850
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      Places like Singapore  and other countries ISPs are forcing users too use Fiber they don't really have a choice of cheaper plains like people do were they have Fiber  in the USA . And they always having troubles with fiber. they didn't know this in 2015  when they were phasing DSL out . Now the ugly truth has revealed itself .

      http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/next-generation-broadband-network-ngbn-forum-320/lack-thereof-future-adsl-sg-5219101.html

        It's like rural areas in the USA  before they ran DSL  thorough here we use too have too pay 2 times as much for satellite internet or be stuck with dialup.. satellite internet is a rip off.  But if you have no choice  you will take what you can get... And as long as more people chose cable and DSL over Fiber in places were they have it .they want never be Fiber everywhere  and if it's not going too be nothing but trouble they can keep it.

       

      Besides comparing Singapore too the USA internet as a whole is like comparing a ant too a elephant.. much less the whole world .  It's only half the size of Los Angeles and that's just one city in the USA so it is a million times cheaper for there country too run fiber there and it still stays messed up on them. Singapore isps are known for bad routeing. :P

      http://www.travelersdigest.com/7390-how-big-is-singapore-in-comparison-to-los-angeles-new-york-london-hong-kong/

      Even places like the Netherlands. the United States is about 237 times bigger than Netherlands

      http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/netherlands

      There is no land mass on that list that compare  with the amount of  fiber that the USA would have too run that is above them in speed too compare with..so it's all hype.. Those countries isp don't have pay too run it  and they don't have too sell it too the American people ether .

      http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-countries-in-the-world-the-biggest-nations-as-determined-by-total-land-area.html

       

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      OrbingStorm    275
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      This is what I get with ADSL2 in Australia.   Pretty slow.

      Test Server Sydney, AU
        Download 7.94 Mb/s
        Upload 0.83 kb/s
        Latency 28 ms
        Retransmission 0.02%
       
           
           
           
         

       

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      pc71520    1,124
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      5 hours ago, OrbingStorm said:

      This is what I get with ADSL2 in Australia.   Pretty slow.

      Test Server Sydney, AU
        Download 7.94 Mb/s
        Upload 0.83 kb/s
        Latency 28 ms
        Retransmission 0.02%

      Sad to read this...:(

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      DKT27    6,857
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      On 17/8/2017 at 10:02 AM, OrbingStorm said:

      This is what I get with ADSL2 in Australia.   Pretty slow.

      Test Server Sydney, AU
        Download 7.94 Mb/s
        Upload 0.83 kb/s
        Latency 28 ms
        Retransmission 0.02%
       
           
           
           
         

       

       

      While high prices and bad internet is well known there, but here it's not even near that - inspite of being near Europe. Not to underrate your problems, but I guess you guys are not alone in expensive and slow internet. We too share your problems I think.

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