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What Is the Maximum Size a Windows Page File Can Be?

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Batu69    18,607
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Whether it is just a matter of curiosity or a genuine need to know before adjusting the size of the file on your own computer, just how large can a Windows page file actually be? Today’s SuperUser Q&A post has the answer to a curious reader’s question.

 

Today’s Question & Answer session comes to us courtesy of SuperUser—a subdivision of Stack Exchange, a community-driven grouping of Q&A web sites.

 

The Question

SuperUser reader Marina Dunst wants to know the maximum size that a Windows Page File can be:

I know that the recommended size for a Windows page file (C:\Pagefile.sys) is around 1.5 to 2 times the amount of RAM. Out of curiosity, what is the maximum size that a Windows Page File can be?

The Answer

SuperUser contributors Steven, Ramhound, and Techie007 have the answer for us. First up, Steven:

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The size limit on Windows 7 is 16TB.

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Source: Learn Best Practices for Optimizing the Virtual Memory Configuration [Microsoft TechNet]

 

When attempting to set a larger amount, Windows will display the error:

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This limit is also the maximum file size for a file on Windows 7 NTFS.

Source: NTFS [Wikipedia]

 

The maximum file size for NTFS on Windows 8 and 10 is larger, but it is unclear if a larger Page File is allowed.

 

Followed by Ramhound:

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Based on my research, the maximum Page File size for Windows 8 and 10 is identical to that of Windows 7. The process for changing the Page File’s size has not changed, which means the exact same logic is used.

 

And our final answer from Techie007:

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I believe that 32-bit versions of Windows can only handle Page Files up to 4GB in size.

 


Have something to add to the explanation? Sound off in the comments. Want to read more answers from other tech-savvy Stack Exchange users? Check out the full discussion thread here.

 

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Pete 12    1,201
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Whats the use of pagefiles if you have 32GB RAM ?

I dont have any pagefile anymore on my Win10x64, its faster without..............:D

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Actarusse    854
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20 minutes ago, Pete 12 said:

Whats the use of pagefiles if you have 32GB RAM ?

I dont have any pagefile anymore on my Win10x64, its faster without..............:D

No bugs , no crash ? :o:)

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Pete 12    1,201
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" No bugs , no crash ? ".......................nope ! :D

But if you do have crashes , bsod etc. , you dont get a dumpfile of the crash anymore , without pagefile...........

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Actarusse    854
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:doh::D

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10 hours ago, Actarusse said:

No bugs , no crash ? :o:)

 

I have 128GB in my new computers and haven't used a pagefile in several years since I started installing 32GB.  Never a crash and no bugs.  Since it doesn't have to swap data to the HDD/SSD it is actually much faster because memory is faster than any drive device.  The only way you would have a bug/crash is if you had a defective memory chip.

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1 hour ago, straycat19 said:

 

I have 128GB in my new computers and haven't used a pagefile in several years since I started installing 32GB.  Never a crash and no bugs.  Since it doesn't have to swap data to the HDD/SSD it is actually much faster because memory is faster than any drive device.  The only way you would have a bug/crash is if you had a defective memory chip.

 

I wonder if you would recommend doing so on a smaller RAM PC, something like 8GB or such.

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6 minutes ago, DKT27 said:

 

I wonder if you would recommend doing so on a smaller RAM PC, something like 8GB or such.

i have 8GB, so id like to know also.

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VIKTOR PAVEL    1,866
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1 hour ago, DKT27 said:

 

I wonder if you would recommend doing so on a smaller RAM PC, something like 8GB or such.

 

52 minutes ago, Kerry4444 said:

i have 8GB, so id like to know also.

 

i remove pagefile in old computer / 4gb - never problem

may be problem if you open lot heavy programs simultaneous

if any problem - system only slow & warning about memory & tell you close some programs

 

 

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Airstream_Bill    1,194
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Just Let Windows adjust your page file.  Darn sounds like we are back to Windows XP and before TWEAKING something that does not need tweaking. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, DKT27 said:

 

I wonder if you would recommend doing so on a smaller RAM PC, something like 8GB or such.

Virtual memory for your computer is hard drive space used by Windows when it fills up the physical RAM. Let’s say you have a computer that has 1 GB of RAM and you’re running several applications at once that might need a total of 1.5 GB of memory. Windows will fill up the 1 GB and then uses the free space on the hard drive to store the rest. This is called the paging file or virtual memory and Windows will increase and decrease the size of this file as needed. Writing to disk takes much longer than writing to physical RAM, so when Windows uses the paging file, computer performance degrades.

That’s why you’ll always hear people asking if you have enough RAM because the more RAM you have, the better your computers’ performance will be. However, we can tweak the virtual memory settings so that the paging file does not get fragmented and so that Windows does not have to grow or shrink the size of the paging file, both of which will cause the computer to slow down, especially on older machines.

By default, Windows uses the boot partition (the partition that contains your operating system files) and it is recommended to set the size of the paging file to 1.5 times the amount of RAM that you have.

To change the virtual memory settings, go to Start, Control Panel and click on System. Click on the Advanced tab and under the Performance box, click Settings. In Windows 7, you’ll need to click on Advanced System Settings on the left side to bring up the System Properties dialog.

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Have Fun.  Don't forget to disable you Swap File and reboot into SAFE Mode and Defrag your hard Drive and then Reboot your Computer and Create your Swap File so that it is Contiguous.  Just thought I would add that last bit.

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3 hours ago, Airstream_Bill said:

Just Let Windows adjust your page file.  Darn sounds like we are back to Windows XP and before TWEAKING something that does not need tweaking.

 

Actually, letting windows control the pagefile, which was referred to as a dynamic pagefile, really slows the computer down as it has to expand and contract the space as it works.  The rule of thumb was to create a static pagefile that reserved the amount of space designated on the drive that was two times the amount of ram in the machine.  However, I always used 2.5 times the amount of ram as I found that 2 times may not be sufficient in all cases.  I also created the pagefile immediately after installing windows so it would be contiguous and close to the start of the disk which made it even faster for the system.  If you used a dynamic pagefile and a defragger you could see how windows spread it out and it would be in the slower portions of the disk as it was constantly rewritten.

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Pete 12    1,201
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Never use pagefile on SSD , if you have plenty of RAM !

Using pagefile may also shorten the life of your SSD , the less writing to it the better ..........

You can switch off the superfetch for the same reason, these things are slowing down your rig and killing your SSD .........

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14 hours ago, straycat19 said:

Actually, letting windows control the pagefile, which was referred to as a dynamic pagefile, really slows the computer down as it has to expand and contract the space as it works.  The rule of thumb was to create a static pagefile that reserved the amount of space designated on the drive that was two times the amount of ram in the machine.  However, I always used 2.5 times the amount of ram as I found that 2 times may not be sufficient in all cases.  I also created the pagefile immediately after installing windows so it would be contiguous and close to the start of the disk which made it even faster for the system.  If you used a dynamic pagefile and a defragger you could see how windows spread it out and it would be in the slower portions of the disk as it was constantly rewritten.

 

I kind of agree. Letting OS manage it increases fragmentation on the HDD. I guess 20GB size might be good. But while running games, I found that games use almost as much as PF as much as it uses the RAM. It probably depends on the games I think.

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How to determine the appropriate page file size for 64-bit versions of Windows

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A page file (also known as a "paging file") is an optional, hidden system file on a hard disk. The page file can be used to "back" (or support) system crash dumps and extend how much system-committed memory (also known as “virtual memory”) a system can back. It also enables the system to remove infrequently accessed modified pages from physical memory to let the system use physical memory more efficiently for more frequently accessed pages.

64-bit versions of Windows and Windows Server support more physical memory (RAM) than 32-bit versions support. However, the reason to configure the page file size has not changed. It has always been about supporting a system crash dump, if it is necessary, or extending the system commit limit, if it is necessary. For example, when a lot of physical memory is installed, a page file might not be required to back the system commit charge during peak usage. The available physical memory alone might be large enough to do this. However, a page file or a dedicated dump file might still be required to back a system crash dump.

Use the following considerations for page file sizing for all versions of Windows and Windows Server:
  • Crash dump setting: If you want a crash dump file to be created during a system crash, a page file or a dedicated dump file must exist and be large enough to back the system crash dump setting. Otherwise, a system memory dump file is not created.
  • Peak system commit charge: The system commit charge cannot exceed the system commit limit. This limit is the sum of physical memory (RAM) and all page files combined. If no page files exist, the system commit limit is slightly less than the physical memory installed. Peak system-committed memory usage can vary greatly between systems. Therefore, physical memory and page file sizing also varies.
  • Quantity of infrequently accessed pages: The purpose of a page file is to back infrequently accessed modified pages so that they can be removed from physical memory. This provides more available space for more frequently accessed pages. The "\Memory\Modified Page List Bytes" performance counter measures, in part, the number of infrequently accessed modified pages that are destined for the hard disk. However, be aware that not all the memory on the modified page list is written out to disk. Typically, several hundred megabytes of memory remains resident on the modified list. Therefore, consider extending or adding a page file if all the following conditions are true:
    • More available physical memory (\Memory\Available MBytes) is required.
    • The modified page list contains a significant amount of memory.
    • The existing page files are fairly full (\Paging Files(*)\% Usage).

    Notes
    • Some products or services may require a page file for reasons other than those discussed here. For more information, check your product documentation. For example, Windows Server domain controllers and DFS replication, certificate, and LDS servers (also Client editions) are not supported without a configured page file. The algorithm of the database cache for ESENT (ESE, in Microsoft Exchange Server) depends on the "\Memory\Transition Pages RePurposed/sec" performance monitor counter. A page file is required to make sure that the database cache can release memory if memory is requested by other services or applications. In summary, page file sizing depends on the system crash dump setting requirements and the system commit charge peak usage or expected usage. Both considerations are unique to each system, even for systems that are identical to other systems. This means that page file sizing is unique to each system and cannot be generalized.
    • For Windows Server 2012 Hyper-V and Windows Server 2012 R2 Hyper-V, the page file of the management OS (commonly called the host OS) should be left at the default of setting of "System Managed." This is per the Hyper-V product group.

 

System committed memory

The system commit limit is the sum of physical memory and all page files combined. It represents the maximum system-committed memory (known as the “system commit charge”) that the system can back. The system commit charge is the total committed or “promised” memory of all committed virtual memory in the system. If the system commit charge reaches the system commit limit, the system and processes might not obtain committed memory. This condition can cause hangs, crashes, and other malfunctions. Therefore, make sure that you set the system commit limit large enough to back the system commit charge during peak usage. 

The system commit charge and system commit limit can be measured on the Performance tab in Task Manager or by using "\Memory\Committed Bytes" and "\Memory\Commit Limit" performance counters. The "\Memory\% Committed Bytes In Use" counter is a ratio of the "\Memory\Committed Bytes" to "\Memory\Commit Limit" values. 

Note System-managed page files automatically grow up to three times physical memory or 4 GB (whichever is larger) when the system commit charge reaches 90 percent of the system commit limit. This assumes that enough free disk space is available to accommodate the growth.

System crash dumps

A system crash (also known as a “bug check” or a "Stop error") occurs when the system cannot run correctly. The dump file that is produced from this event is called a system crash dump. A page file or dedicated dump file is used to write a crash dump file (memory.dmp) to disk. Therefore, a page file or a dedicated dump file must be large enough to back the kind of crash dump selected. Otherwise, the system cannot create the crash dump file.

Note During startup, system-managed page files are sized respective to the system crash dump settings. This assumes that enough free disk space exists.
System crash dump setting Minimum page file size requirement
Small memory dump (256 KB) 1 MB
Kernel memory dump Depends on kernel virtual memory usage
Complete memory dump 1 x RAM plus 257 MB*
Automatic memory dump Depends on kernel virtual memory usage. For details, see Automatic memory dump on MSDN.

* 1 MB of header data and device drivers can total 256 MB of secondary crash dump data.

Automatic memory dump

Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 introduced the “Automatic memory dump” feature. This feature is enabled by default. This is a new setting, not a new kind of crash dump. This setting automatically selects the best page file size, depending on the frequency of system crashes. 

The Automatic memory dump setting at first selects a small paging file size, would accommodate the kernel memory most of the time. If the system crashes again within four weeks, the Automatic memory dump feature selects the page file size as either the RAM size or 32 GB, whichever is smaller. 

Note In Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2, the initial minimum size of the page file or the dedicated dump file is 1 GB.

Kernel memory crash dumps require enough page file space or dedicated dump file space to accommodate the kernel mode side of virtual memory usage. If the system crashes again within four weeks of the previous crash, a Complete memory dump is selected at restart. This requires a page file or dedicated dump file of at least the size of physical memory (RAM) plus 1 MB for header information plus 256 MB for potential driver data to support all the potential data that is dumped from memory. Again, the system-managed page file will be increased to back this kind of crash dump. If the system is configured to have a page file or a dedicated dump file of a specific size, make sure that the size is sufficient to back the crash dump setting that is listed in the table earlier in this section together with and the peak system commit charge.

For more information about system crash dumps, click the following article number to go to the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

969028 How to generate a kernel or a complete memory dump file in Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 R2
 

Dedicated dump files

Computers that are running Microsoft Windows or Microsoft Windows Server usually must have a page file to back a system crash dump. System administrators now have the option to create a dedicated dump file instead by using the following software packages to start with:
  • Windows 7 Service Pack 1 with hotfix 2716542 applied
  • Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 with hotfix 2716542 applied
A dedicated dump file is a page file that is not used for paging. Instead, it is “dedicated” to back a system crash dump file (memory.dmp) when a system crash occurs. Dedicated dump files can be put on any disk volume that can support a page file. We recommend that you use a dedicated dump file when you want a system crash dump but you do not want a page file. 

For more information about dedicated dump files, click the following article numbers to go to the articles in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

969028 How to generate a kernel or a complete memory dump file in Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 R2

950858 Dedicated dump files are unexpectedly truncated to 4 GB on a computer that is running Windows Server 2008 or Windows Vista and that has more than 4 GB of physical memory
 

System-managed page files

By default, page files are system-managed. This means that the page files increase and decrease based on many factors, such as the amount of physical memory installed, the process of accommodating the system commit charge, and the process of accommodating a system crash dump. 

For example, when the system commit charge is more than 90 percent of the system commit limit, the page file is increased to back it. This continues to occur until the page file reaches three times the size of physical memory or 4 GB, whichever is larger. This all assumes that the logical disk that is hosting the page file is large enough to accommodate the growth. 

The following table lists the minimum and maximum page file sizes of system-managed page files.
Operating system Minimum page file size Maximum page file size
Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 with less than 1 GB of RAM 1.5 x RAM 3 x RAM or 4 GB, whichever is larger
Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 with more than 1 GB of RAM 1 x RAM 3 x RAM or 4 GB, whichever is larger
Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 1 x RAM 3 x RAM or 4 GB, whichever is larger
Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 1 x RAM 3 x RAM or 4 GB, whichever is larger
Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 Depends on crash dump setting* 3 x RAM or 4 GB, whichever is larger
Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 Depends on crash dump setting* 3 x RAM or 4 GB, whichever is larger

* See system crash dumps.

Performance counters

Several performance counters are related to page files. This section describes the counters and what they measure.
\Memory\Page/sec and other hard page fault counters
The following performance counters measure hard page faults (which include, but are not limited to, page file reads):
  • \Memory\Page/sec
  • \Memory\Page Reads/sec
  • \Memory\Page Inputs/sec
The following performance counters measure page file writes:
  • \Memory\Page Writes/sec
  • \Memory\Page Output/sec
Hard page faults are faults that must be resolved by retrieving the data from disk. Such data can include portions of DLLs, .exe files, memory-mapped files, and page files. These faults might or might not be related to a page file or to a low-memory condition. Hard page faults are a standard function of the operating system. They occur when the following items are read:
  • Parts of image files (.dll and .exe files) as they are used
  • Memory-mapped files
  • A page file
High values for these counters (excessive paging) indicate disk access of generally 4 KB per page fault on x86 and x64 versions of Windows and Windows Server. This disk access might or might not be related to page file activity but may contribute to poor disk performance that can cause system-wide delays if the related disks are overwhelmed. 

Therefore, we recommend that you monitor the disk performance of the logical disks that host a page file in correlation with these counters. Be aware that a system that has a sustained 100 hard page faults per second experiences 400 KB per second disk transfers. Most 7200 RPM disk drives can handle about 5 MB per second at an IO size of 16 KB or 800 KB per second at an IO size of 4 KB. No performance counter directly measures which logical disk the hard page faults are resolved for.
\Paging File(*)\% Usage
The \Paging File(*)\% Usage performance counter measures the percentage of usage of each page file. 100 percent usage of a page file does not indicate a performance problem as long as the system commit limit is not reached by the system commit charge, and if a significant amount of memory is not waiting to be written to a page file.

Note The size of the Modified Page List (\Memory\Modified Page List Bytes) is the total of modified data that is waiting to be written to disk. 

If the Modified Page List (a list of physical memory pages that are the least frequently accessed) contains a lot of memory, and if the % Usage value of all page files is greater than 90, you can make more physical memory available for more frequently access pages by increasing or adding a page file.

Note Not all the memory on the modified page list is written out to disk. Typically, several hundred megabytes of memory remains resident on the modified list.

Multiple page files and disk considerations

If a system is configured to have more than one page file, the page file that responds first is the one that is used. This means that page files that are on faster disks are used more frequently. Also, putting a page file on a “fast” or “slow” disk is important only if the page file is frequently accessed and if the disk that is hosting the respective page file is overwhelmed. Be aware that actual page file usage depends greatly on the amount of modified memory that the system is managing. This means that files that already exist on disk (such as .txt, .doc, .dll, and .exe) are not written to a page file. Only modified data that does not already exist on disk (for example, unsaved text in Notepad ) is memory that could potentially be backed by a page file. After the unsaved data is saved to disk as a file, it is backed by the disk and not by a page file.

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2860880/how-to-determine-the-appropriate-page-file-size-for-64-bit-versions-of-windows

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