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Some of you - who love cheats and tables 'n stuff - might have noticed, that the trainers & tables sections on CE-forums have become unavailable for all users now.

 

That's due to a bully in the name of ESA aka Entertainment Software Association was sending out a C&D letter to CE forum staff (and himself creator of the well-known cheating software Cheat EngineDarkByte, in order to keep up the totally fcuked up Copyright Monopoly currently present in the gaming industry.

 

According to DarkByte, before receiving said C&D letter, a number of DDoS attacks have hit the server('s) hosting the forum. Where some might think there is some weird coincidence going on, a good amount of people think that both have the same origin.

 

In very sad times of abusive copyright monopolies, there are gamers and modders around doing what gamers and modders do best.

 

If you are into historical grand strategy games, there is one modder in the Crusader Kings II community dealing with the subject, in one way trying to raise attention with the mod and making people aware, on the other hand making fun of copyright police ESA.

 

As the description of the mod reads:

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Now the powerful IP Giant Entertainment Software Association Empire, along with their vassal and

fellow IP Giant The Kingdom of Bethesda Softworks, will raise an army of IP Lawyers and send you

DMCA notices, which you can buy your way out of for a year's earnings or give into at the cost of all

your titles.

 

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=877048456

http://www.moddb.com/mods/sinful-mods-for-enhanced-gameplay-and-flavor/downloads/the-esa-a-parody-mod

 

It highlights a base strategy when dealing with a well-known copyright-scenario - a powerful outfit, with lots of budget at hand, facing a community - dedicated to a hobby. Did you ever see the opposite? Food for thought.

 

There is a good amount of different engines games use, even very custom ones and developers trying to protect their games of various cheat attempts, using different types of anti-cheat implementations or methods, that protect the game's memory, or trying to switch base addresses very shortly or creating code at startup and whatnot, developers and publishers often want to decide, how you play certain games, games you bought.

 

Cheating always was a part of gaming and between community-driven free-4-all sites, like CE is or the "do-or-don't" donation system (where all cheats are still free and available, no matter if you donate or not) like MrAntiFun, that offer cheats without any restrictions, DRM-ified pay-to-cheat models arrived, with trainers having custom DRM (h4x0r), a paywall (CH-CheatHappens) but afaik, Cheat Engine doesn't have that, it only has a dedicated community. No DRM, no paywall, no pay-to-cheat, .

 

The question arises, why is ESA targeting CE then and why the C&D, knowing that DarkByte never monetized CE?

 

It doesn't really matter, DarkByte already clarified that tables/trainers/cheat downloads will no longer be hosted and available on CE-related domains but can be downloaded thru 3rd-party.

 

It isn't the end of cheats but probably drives cheaters/visitors away from CE forums to get certain files required for cheating and yet CE and DarkByte remain the dinosaurs of community and cheats, a community willing to learn and adapt and a site owner willing to keep CE up, instead of sneaking out (while sneaking can be a very sketchy term).

 

TL:DR

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/5wtpyp/cheat_engine_the_program_and_site_that_allow_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/321lsk/esa_says_preserving_old_games_is_illegal_because/

 

Text on my own, feel free to add to the discussion.

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Cheat Engine forums

  people need to use this place  i see his comments asking  were best to post things  so he not have copyrights problems  sure we can help somehow  we have much smart people on this site to help them?

seems Dark Byte  have a hard time we need to help them

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This makes absolutely zero sense at all, no person in their right mind would use CE in a game with an online mode/cheat protection, it's easily detectable. What in the hell do they have to worry about? I can't understand why they were allowed to do a broad cease and desist rather than one specific to game title(s). A real shame, truly remarkable overreach. I think someone needed a target to prove they were actually doing "something" for their members of their glorious garbage dump of an organization. :duh::dunno::protest::spank::shit:

 

 

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On 3/11/2017 at 0:52 PM, MayJoko said:

This makes absolutely zero sense at all, no person in their right mind would use CE in a game with an online mode/cheat protection, it's easily detectable. What in the hell do they have to worry about? I can't understand why they were allowed to do a broad cease and desist rather than one specific to game title(s). A real shame, truly remarkable overreach. I think someone needed a target to prove they were actually doing "something" for their members of their glorious garbage dump of an organization. :duh::dunno::protest::spank::shit:

 

 

 

seriously no need to comment when u know nothing :D 

Cheating is necessary for Pay to Play games where the developers charge people for shit. weak and faulty anti cheat systems like Rockstar's for GTA Online fails at detecting CE memory modifications at some points, though that's their first attempt at creating an anti cheat system instead of using 3rd parties' so. 

easily detectable? go play on Faceit servers and you'll see there are more cheaters in there than the Valve's own servers, not to mention that they have developed their own anti-cheat system to work with VAC and cover the places where VAC is weak at. if cheats were easily detectable then csgo wouldn't need Overwatch for players. 

 

 

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