SnakeMasteR Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 The German Interior Minister, Thomas de Maiziere, has called for a partial ban on the burka, a day after saying a full ban might not be constitutional. He said the burka did not fit in with Germany's open society and showing the face was essential to social cohesion. "We call on everyone to show their face," he said. The proposal would prevent anyone from wearing the veil in schools, universities, nurseries, public offices or while driving. It requires parliamentary approval to become law. Chancellor Angela Merkel's governing coalition has been divided over the issue after several attacks in Germany claimed by so-called Islamic State (IS) and amid record numbers of Muslim asylum seekers. "We reject the full veil - not just the burka but the other forms of full veil where only the eyes are visible," said Mr de Maiziere. "It doesn't fit in with our open society. Showing the face is a constituent element for our communication, the way we live, our social cohesion. That is why we call on everyone to show their face." He added: "Whoever wants to work in public service cannot do so while wearing the full veil." There are no official statistics on the number of women wearing the burka in Germany but Aiman Mazyek, leader of its Central Council of Muslims, has said hardly any women wear it, Reuters news agency reports. A study carried out by the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees in 2009, and reported by Spiegel magazine, found that more than two-thirds of Muslim women in Germany did not even wear a headscarf. Source http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37130050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme2 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 5 hours ago, n0_risk! said: "It doesn't fit in with our open society. Showing the face is a constituent element for our communication, the way we live, our social cohesion. That is why we call on everyone to show their face." Does it fit in an open society to tell people what they can, and cannot wear? Will it be a ban on blind people next, because they cannot see the face which is a constituent element for communication to Mr. de Maiziere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc71520 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 15 hours ago, n0_risk! said: The burka did not fit in with Germany's open society and showing the face was essential to social cohesion. At last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeMasteR Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Does it fit in an open society to tell people what they can, and cannot wear? Will it be a ban on blind people next, because they cannot see the face which is a constituent element for communication to Mr. de Maiziere? A open and free society isn't without written and unwritten rules, that's anarchy what you are looking for. In almost every job there are rules and a dress code too, most of the time and rarely the sheeples have any say in that no matter how dumb it looks, take Mc Donald's or whatever as example. Or take clubs as another example, they'll simply not let you in wearing wrong clothes. You can't work in a bank looking like a punk or having the face completely hidden and expect customers to applaud for that. It's also problematic to enter a bank having the face behind a bunch of polyester, it requires some luck to not get shot or sacked from law enforcement entities thinking you are robbing the bank. That's where i think it makes sense. Nobody cares about what you wear in your free time or at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghazi Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Disclaimer: I am commenting here to add what Islam says about face covering of women and in no way trying to influence or force someone to cover her face. In Islam it is not compulsory for a women to cover her face. Due to the current requirement of the time which is the introduction of taking pictures of Muslim women, the Religious scholars told women to cover the face as well. So in short it is up to the choice of that women whether she covers her face or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme2 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 4 hours ago, n0_risk! said: A open and free society isn't without written and unwritten rules, that's anarchy what you are looking for. In almost every job there are rules and a dress code too, most of the time and rarely the sheeples have any say in that no matter how dumb it looks, take Mc Donald's or whatever as example. Or take clubs as another example, they'll simply not let you in wearing wrong clothes. You can't work in a bank looking like a punk or having the face completely hidden and expect customers to applaud for that. It's also problematic to enter a bank having the face behind a bunch of polyester, it requires some luck to not get shot or sacked from law enforcement entities thinking you are robbing the bank. That's where i think it makes sense. Nobody cares about what you wear in your free time or at home. Walking down the road is not the same as working in McDonald's nor is it the same as entering a club or working in a bank. I am yet to come across social dress "Rules" outside of the West's favorite Gulf States that invented and finances "radical Islam" as a political tool, let us just hope your Interior Minister is not leading you down the same road as your Gulf allies, cause the 30s and 40s would be a picnic in comparison if that was ever to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeMasteR Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 That's why i wrote written and unwritten rules. Of course there are bunch of dressing rules in society, you wouldn't walk into a fine restaurant with dirty jeans and hands that haven't seen water in the last 2 weeks. Even if it doesn't require any specific rule, the restaurant owner is free to say no to dirty jeans and unwashed hands and show you the door on the door. Aswell as saying no to faces that can't be seen. Not much you can do about that. That may be a reason why many muslims or the majority in Germany refrain from wearing it in the public, it's not really accepted in society and they know about that too. Muslims wearing it are not seen as wearing it out of personal believes, it's more some sort of stigma that shows public oppression of women, not allowed to show face, not a personal decision. You can't blame german women for seeing it this way. Even lots of men do. Another example of it, my mother always told me to take off the base cap in her basement, she really was offended seeing me wearing it, even if i did out of free will. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme2 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 So on the day that news leaks about weapons handed over by the German government to the peshmerga in Iraq have been sold on the open market to ISIS, your interior minister comes out with this joke of a public issue regarding the Burka and the importance of preserving the German way of life, instead of explaining why the German government provided those weapons to ISIS through the peshmerga (weapons paid for by your tax Euros don't you forget), and of course your "free" press forgets all about the weapons issue, and focuses on the burkah, and now are you trying to tell me what a free society is and is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeMasteR Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 LOL, you are drawing a line in being total off-topic, the only thing is blame blame blame, not being able to stay on topic because you've lost your argument after my last reply. And to give an reply anyway, yeah, you've already said it, the weapons weren't for ISIS in the first place but for Kurds and they were pretty successful with that in fighting ISIS and still are. So not sure what you are talking about. They have been escorted protected from american soldiers, to make sure they get to the right destination which they did. And in regard to general weaponry of ISIS, if you really think that foreign weapons getting lost make a huge difference, no they don't. An ISIS commander told The Washington Post on August 12, 2014: "Most of the fighters who joined us in the beginning of the war came via Turkey, and so did our equipment and supplies." http://heise.de/tp/artikel/46/46702/1.html It's clear that Führer Erdogan didn't really like the idea of Kurds getting german weaponry. So if ISIS under certain circumstances gets hands on it, it wouldn't be a bad thing for Führer Erdogan. How about blaming Turkey for their actions that seem to be a bit older and brought IS weapons before any german ones have been shipped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truemate Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 hmm if suppose germany make this rule then it should be follow. even in middle east, especially in saudi .... womens of any religion have to follow their rules.. to cover their heads and so on. so its like..ok their country their rules,,,,,the day when you put ur feet in any other land you should follow that land laws.... if prob then fuk off lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flitox Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 On 20/08/2016 at 8:22 PM, Ghazi said: Disclaimer: I am commenting here to add what Islam says about face covering of women and in no way trying to influence or force someone to cover her face. In Islam it is not compulsory for a women to cover her face. Due to the current requirement of the time which is the introduction of taking pictures of Muslim women, the Religious scholars told women to cover the face as well. So in short it is up to the choice of that women whether she covers her face or not i remind of one i girl i met, she had some mexican blood but when looking at her, you could have a hard telling what was her origin. i was thinking she had some asian origin. she was telling me that it often happened to her that some arab guys would annoy her because they were thinking she was an arab too and because of that they would tell she must not dress the way she do because it is not the way a muslim girl should dress, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeMasteR Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Muslin girl? What? ? Why do some people find the burkini offensive? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37130963 or Why are the burqa and burkini being banned? http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/19/europe/burqa-burkini-bans/ It's not like Germany is the only country having considered it, especially the graphic linked in the CNN article shows that it's not really news. Even in Syria a ban exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme2 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I am surprised you think so lowly of German culture, you trying to tell me that a culture that produced Nietzsche, Beethoven, Kant, Marx, Bach, Wagner, Freud, Brahms, Einstein, Engels, Handel, Goethe, Hegel, Hess and Mozart is threatened to the extent that its politicians need to pass laws to stop a few idiots who get their kicks by walking around dressed like ninja turtles? Around 25% of people on this planet are Muslims, the cocky Wahhabi fanatics count for a minute fraction of them, a fraction small enough to be statistically insignificant, shouldn't you be asking your politicians why they allowed Saudi Wahhabi clerics to exclusively run Muslim places of worship for the past forty years in Germany? Shouldn't you also ask the same politicians along with all other NATO politicians, why they been providing military/ political/ financial/ media assistance to those Wahhabi fanatics in their ISIS/Qaeda/Nusra manifestations in Libya, Syria, Iraq etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 @onlyme2+rep, good points! ask their politicians? with questions you can talk to some politicians like you can call them and this type of things but not every party allows it, the major voted party, not really. they're ignoring people most of the time, CDU/SPD party i'm referring to. though in my opinion they should make it complete illegal to wearing mask or stuff like this because it can be abused as well. It's not in Islam law to hide face. whoever does it is extremist, and extremists aren't strangers to us, in all religions specially Christian and Islam they are so prevalent. In Iran nobody wears things like that or hides face or everybody would look at them wherever they go and say WTF? but I've seen Wahhabists wearing it a lot in Saudi desert. but, besides that, German politicians better do something about their citizens joining IS cuz apparently some of them think of them terrorists as heroes and they publicly recruit people and sell faked Quran to them, In streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc71520 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Where in the world are the burka and niqab banned? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/652842/Burka-Niqab-Islamic-Face-veil-Ban-UK-Fine-France-Belgium-Netherlands-Europe-Muslim-dress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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