Jordan Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 FBI may soon be allowed to hack computers anywhere in the world A Supreme Court rule change will greatly expand the FBI's hacking capability, civil liberties groups have warned. The Supreme Court has approved a rule change that will allow US judges to issue search warrants for accessing computers and devices in any jurisdiction. That would greatly expand the FBI's hacking capability, say civil liberties groups, who are opposing the planned changes. Under existing rules, judges can only issue orders within their jurisdiction, often only a few miles across or a few local districts. But the Justice Dept. argued the changes are necessary to keep up the pace against criminals, who often work across multiple jurisdictions -- even countries. "This amendment ensures that courts can be asked to review warrant applications in situations where is it currently unclear what judge has that authority. The amendment makes explicit that it does not change the traditional rules governing probable cause and notice," said Peter Carr, a Justice Dept. spokesperson said in a statement. The changes will allow the FBI to conduct network investigative techniques (NITs) -- another term for hacking carried out by law enforcement -- to remotely search computers located anywhere in the world. But civil liberties group Access called on Congress to reject the rule change. "While Congress is distracted rehashing long-settled debates about the use of encryption, the Department of Justice is quietly trying to grant themselves substantive authority to hack into computers and masking it as a bureaucratic update," said Amie Stepanovich, US policy manager at digital rights group Access Now. Google objected to the changes in 2015, shortly after the proposal was floated. "The implications of this expansion of warrant power are significant, and are better addressed by Congress," said Richard Salgado, legal director for Google's law enforcement and information security unit. Congress must approve the changes by December 1. If it's ignored, the rule changes will automatically come into effect. SOURCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israeli_Eagle Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 ROFL.......... American dreamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dMog Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 well gee..... they have to be so jealous that criminals, Russia, China and even North Korea have been doing it for so many years now ...they must be thinking they are second class entities that they are not allowed to do likewise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 A US judge cant issue a warrant outside the USA. Only there jurisdiction is all 50 states . If they wanted a warrant outside the USA they would have to get it form that country . What this will do is they will be able to get a warrant from a Judge and it will work in any state in the Union . FBI are not the NSA or The CIA they only solve crimes committed on USA soil or on USA websites or servers . Even if you commit a crime on USA servers like Kim Dotcom did you're country would have to agree to extradite you . Just like Snowden is in Russia wanted in the USA Russia want extradite him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dce3480 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 let THEM!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 1 hour ago, dMog said: well gee..... they have to be so jealous that criminals, Russia, China and even North Korea have been doing it for so many years now ...they must be thinking they are second class entities that they are not allowed to do likewise No this shows the USA is becoming like Russia and China this want really have no effect on the World outside the USA at all. All this will do is have significant consequences for Americans' privacy, They can get a single warrant to access and search thousands or millions of computers at once.and the majority of the affected computers would belong to the victims of the crime. All I can tell you is not to get infected by no botnets are you will be on there radar . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vibranium Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Wow ... FBI mega-GLOBOCOP. US Judge = Globo-Judge. That's a really stupid decision, Supreme Court of one sovereign nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 If congress dont stop it, with elections on the way in NOV they most likely will not be able too stop it. And it will be legal for them to use there malware to hack now . Its those federal judges that ruled against the the FBI fault that the Supreme Court stepped in . You cant fight against the feds in the USA they can do as they want its always been like this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesDDI Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 LOL USA..no exceptions. What's the next country invasion? Or next inside job? I think it's the right moment to gain more oil. And why the war criminal g.w.bush is not in prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Nothing has changed @jamesDDI they already got a warrant from one judge before and listened in on there cell phones and it lead arrest trough the USA . Just now the courts cant use the fact it was illegal . Its just going be legal . Being able to use malware to unlock some cell phones and exploiting some pedos on the darknet because they were downloading files from the FBI is far from breaking encryption . Lets see them break AES 256 bits it would take 100s of years . In fact the FBI never cracked nothing they just use malware to get around encryption. Its illegal for hackers to do it but not for the FBI . Its a case of do as i say. but not as I do syndrome . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylence Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Everywhere huh? well they might be right about computers in the U.S or Europe, FVEY countries in fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 6 hours ago, steven36 said: Its a case of do as i say. but not as I do syndrome . That doesnt work for children and it sure as hell doesnt work for adults. Then again most Americans have on blinders and dont see the big picture or they dont really care. My question is, what makes the US different from the criminals? Seriously...hacking is hacking. No one "cracks" encryptions because there is no need to. Every so called "protection" or "encryption" has holes to exploit in order to get the info. Really, is anything "secured"? I will answer that, NO. I am sure most here would agree with that answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straycat19 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 10 hours ago, steven36 said: Nothing has changed @jamesDDI they already got a warrant from one judge before and listened in on there cell phones and it lead arrest trough the USA . Just now the courts cant use the fact it was illegal . Its just going be legal . Being able to use malware to unlock some cell phones and exploiting some pedos on the darknet because they were downloading files from the FBI is far from breaking encryption . Lets see them break AES 256 bits it would take 100s of years . In fact the FBI never cracked nothing they just use malware to get around encryption. Its illegal for hackers to do it but not for the FBI . Its a case of do as i say. but not as I do syndrome . Actually AES256 isn't that difficult to break with some of the super computers available today. That is why we use 2048 bits for our encryption, a standard very few people use or have access to. Don't get hung up on the FBI, that is just a miniscule part of the much larger presence world wide that not only includes NSA and CIA but the British GCHQ and Interpol among many others. Then there are the American Military Cyber Warfare teams, currently over 1000 total, and hundreds more to come into existence within the next two years. The military has been listening to electronic communications overseas since the 1940s and have special signals intelligence units that do nothing but that. Funny how no one mentions that when they talk about privacy. Back in the 60s and 70s, in Berlin, the Army Security Agency had a site called Teufelsberg located in the Grunewald. This was a very large geodesic dome that contained signals intelligence equipment that allowed them to monitor communications in East Germany and other Soviet Block Countries. There are FBI resources overseas that do work on cases in coordination with local jurisdictions in foreign countries. Granted that is the stick that comes with the carrot. You want our money you have to take our 'assistance'. If you want privacy then don't use a cell phone or computer, otherwise there is a trade off that you have to accept. People who don't learn lessons from history are doomed to repeat them and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is still insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 5 hours ago, straycat19 said: Actually AES256 isn't that difficult to break with some of the super computers available today. Quote I did a report on encryption a while ago, and I thought I'd post a bit of it here as it's quite mind-boggling. AES-256 is the standardized encryption specification. It's used worldwide by everyone from corporations to the US government. It's largest key size is 256 bits. This means that the key, the thing that turns encrypted data into unencrypted data, is string of 256 1s or 0s. With each character having two possibilities (1 or 0), there are 2256 possible combinations. Typically, only 50% of these need to be exhausted to yield the correct key, so only 2255 need to be guessed. How long would it take to flip through each of the possible keys? When doing mundane, repetitive calculations (such as brute-forcing or bitcoin mining), the GPU is better suited than the CPU. A high-end GPU can typically do about 2 billion calculations per second (2 gigaflops). So, we'll use GPUs. Say you had a billion of these, all hooked together in a massively parallel computer system. Together, they could perform at 2e18 flops, or 2 000 000 000 000 000 000 keys per second (2 quintillion) 1 billion gpus @ 2 gigaflops each (2 billion flops) Since there are 31 556 952 seconds in a year, we can multiply by that to get the keys per year. *31 556 952 =6.3113904e25 keys per year (~10 septillion, 10 yottaflops) Now we divide 2255 combinations by 6.3113904e25 keys per year: 2^255 / 6.3113904e25 =9.1732631e50 years The universe itself only existed for 14 billion (1.4e10) years. It would take ~6.7e40 times longer than the age of the universe to exhaust half of the keyspace of a AES-256 key. On top of this, there is an energy limitation. The The Landauer limit is a theoretical limit of energy consumption of a computation. It holds that on a system that is logically irreversible (bits do not reset themselves back to 0 from 1), a change in the value of a bit requires an entropy increase according to kTln2, where k is the Boltzmann constant, T is the temperature of the circuit in kelvins and ln2 is the natural log(2). Lets try our experiment while considering power. most high-end GPUs take around 150 watts of energy to power themselves at full load. This doesn't include cooling systems. 150 000 000 000 watts (150 gigawatts) 1 billion gpus @ 150 watts 1.5e11 watts This is enough power to power 50 million american households. The largest nuclear power reactors (Kashiwazaki-Kariwa) generate about 1 gigawatt of energy. 1.5e11 watts / 1 gigawatt = 150 Therefore, 1 billion GPUs would require 150 nuclear power plant reactors to constantly power them, and it would still take longer than the age of the universe to exhaust half of a AES-256 keyspace. 1 billion GPUs is kind of unrealistic. How about a supercomputer? The Tianhe-2 Supercomputer is the world's fastest supercomputer located at Sun Yat-sen University, Guangzhou, China. It clocks in at around 34 petaflops. Tianhe-2 Supercomputer @ 33.86 petaflops (quadrillion flops) =33 860 000 000 000 000 keys per second (33.86 quadrilion) 3.386e16 * 31556952 seconds in a year 2255 possible keys 2^255 / 1.0685184e24 =1.0685184e24 keys per year (~1 septillion, 1 yottaflop) =5.4183479e52 years That's just for 1 machine. Reducing the time by just one power would require 10 more basketball court-sized supercomputers. To reduce the time by x power, we would require 10x basketball court-sized supercomputers. It would take 1038 Tianhe-2 Supercomputers running for the entirety of the existence of everything to exhaust half of the keyspace of a AES-256 key. Edit: corrections on my grade 12 math. https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/1x50xl/time_and_energy_required_to_bruteforce_a_aes256/ With 10 super computers it would take entirety of the existence to get half done cracking it . They cant even crack TOR the NSA cant even do it ..they use malware and exploit browsers and send out malware in files etc. The US government is using AES 256 themselves you think they would use it if it could be cracked ? Dream On... Quote "The online anonymity network Tor is a high-priority target for the National Security Agency," cryptography expert Bruce Schneier, who is helping British newspaper The Guardian analyze its archive of leaked Snowden documents, wrote in a piece for the newspaper. But despite this warning, another Snowden document published by The Guardian suggests that the NSA can't crack Tor after all, although the agency has developed some workarounds. "We will never be able to de-anonymize all Tor users all the time," reads the document, a PowerPoint presentation used internally at the NSA and its British equivalent GCHQ. Instead, the NSA exploited a vulnerability in Firefox browsers (on which the Tor Browser is based) to monitor individual users' Tor activity. That vulnerability has since been patched in Firefox and the most recent Tor Browser Bundle update. "The good news is that they went for a browser exploit, meaning there's no indication they can break the Tor protocol or do traffic analysis on the Tor network," wrote The Tor Project on its blog in response to The Guardian's article. "Tor still helps here: you can target individuals with browser exploits, but if you attack too many users, somebody's going to notice. So even if the NSA aims to surveil everyone, everywhere, they have to be a lot more selective about which Tor users they spy on." http://www.tomsguide.com/us/what-is-tor-faq,news-17754.html So stop trying to feed us this bullshit, the FBI cant crack anything they just use the Tax payers money to buy millions of dollars worth of malware. A search warrant to me were they not handed someone in person is illegal search unless the person is not home to give it too .Since there doing it without telling you they have a warrant it should be illegal . Its just like if the guy down the street robed someone does this give the FBI the right to search you're house too when they want ? Because there going too search thousands are millions of peoples computers using NIT malware on the fact someone done something . At the very best they will just drive pedos , drug dealers and other criminals back out on too the street if they get wind of a lot got arrested and there back were they started at before they had the Internet . they never even been able to stop crime in the street were you can see people much less stop people they cant see. 5 hours ago, straycat19 said: The military has been listening to electronic communications overseas since the 1940s and have special signals intelligence units that do nothing but that. Funny how no one mentions that when they talk about privacy. They never really cracked that ether, the reason they were successful was because of procedural flaws, and operator mistakes. Quote Though Enigma had some cryptographic weaknesses, in practice it was German procedural flaws, operator mistakes, failure to systematically introduce changes in encipherment procedures, and Allied capture of key tables and hardware that, during the war, enabled Allied cryptologists to succeed and "turned the tide" in the Allies' favor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine People who dream the FBI or NSA can break encryption are just conspiracy theorists. without malware , backdoors or mistakes of the way it was used they cant do nothing they always just got around it without breaking it even back in the 1940s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vibranium Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 2 hours ago, steven36 said: People who dream the FBI or NSA can break encryption are just conspiracy theorists. without malware , backdoors or mistakes of the way it was used they cant do nothing they always just got around it without breaking it even back in the 1940s. Well said. The Three Letter Agencies are powerful, but not all powerful. They need to resort to tricks. Quantum computing may change all that in the next 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 35 minutes ago, vibranium said: Well said. The Three Letter Agencies are powerful, but not all powerful. They need to resort to tricks. Quantum computing may change all that in the next 20 years. Yes people believed back in the 60s, 70s and 80s we all be flying in spaceships by now but were not . People have dreamed of having robots like humans every since SI FI witters made it up in there own mind . Science fiction dates back to the 2nd century . People watch too much TV and movies .. Even if Quantum computers ever exist just like they had Enigma in the 1940s and they have AES-256 today they will be post-quantum encryption in place already . Encryption is evolving faster than technology to beak it is. NASA has not even sent no one to space since 2011 and people have not went to the moon since the 1960s so technology is going really slow in reality . But the fact is the only Quantum technology that exist is Quantum encryption already. Quote Some people believe that quantum encryption technologies like quantum key distribution (QKD) are still just science fiction, in the realm of lightsabers and time travel. But, while some people hear the word "quantum" and turn a deaf ear, others are already turning a profit. Companies like MagiQ and ID Quantique identified the potential of quantum cryptography back in the early 2000s and have since built successful businesses around it. Clients of these futuristic -- but entirely real -- technologies already include major banks, governments and militaries. In short: It’s false. Quantum technology -- at least of the cryptographic variety -- is very real today. http://www.businessinsider.com/5-quantum-internet-myths-busted-2014-5?IR=T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truemate Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 try to do this with any Asian....south Asian countries...Be ready for a Hard reply, FBI will be doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven36 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 53 minutes ago, truemate said: try to do this with any Asian....south Asian countries...Be ready for a Hard reply, FBI will be doomed. How would they know they done it ? They already do it just now it will be legal in a USA court of law . .The Feds are not going say nothing they dont want you too know. They want even say how they hacked into USA pcs much less admit to doing it overseas . If there's a botnet or something from ASIA that's attacking US cyberspace the FBI is already hacking at it. and so is the rest of the world if attacking them too . Were does this law make any difference? The USA have been spying on Asia for over a 100 years and Asia has spied on the USA that long too . US man Kim Dong-chul jailed for spying in North Korea http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36166998 Over in Korea the USA has been over there since the 1950s spying on North Korea . The USA lived in threat of a Nuclear attack from 1947-1991 the coldwar and it never stopped them they had 2 wars with Asian countries in this time frame . If MacArthur would had his way and Truman would gave him the A Bombs he wanted he was going to wipe out most all of Asia out at the beginning of the Koren war . They should thank Truman for having enough brains to know MacArthur was a madman and not giving him what he wanted and firing him instead. The same person who ordered the A bomb to be dropped on Japan saved the the rest of the world from them because he would not let the military use them again. In war really no one ever wins people just die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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