Pale Moon blocks Adblock Plus

[Batu69]

Users of the Pale Moon web browser who try to install the popular adblocking extension Adblock Plus won't be able to do so anymore as it was added to the blocklist by the Pale Moon team.

Pale Moon users who have it installed may have noticed that it is no longer enabled either.

Up until now, Pale Moon copied the blocklist from Firefox. It contains extensions, plugins and other contents with known severe security or stability issues.

When you try to install Adblock Plus in Pale Moon you receive the message that the extension could not be installed because of having a high risk of causing stability or security problems.

Further investigation -- the Pale Moon forum is usually a good place to start -- reveals that the team decided to add Adblock Plus to the blocklist because of incompatibilities with Pale Moon.

I've put it in the blocklist because it has started giving severe usability issues (see the threads with "large bar with red text at the bottom of the browser" etc.). ABP should not be used on any v25+ version of Pale Moon because it's not compatible.

The compatibility issues seem to be mostly interface related when Adblock Plus is running in Pale Moon.

Moonchild, the lead developer of Pale Moon suggests to use an alternative such as uBlock, uBlock Origin or Adblock Latitude instead. The latter is a fork of Adblock Plus that is developed and maintained specifically for Pale Moon.

Wladimir Palant's response suggests a personal conflict between both teams and sheds some light on the technical incompatibility:

Technical background (at least I assume that it’s what this is about): Adblock Plus 2.6.10 stopped using the deprecated JavaScript generators syntax that only Firefox supports. Instead the proper standard-compliant syntax is being used – Firefox 29 and higher supports it, Pale Moon most likely doesn’t (they forked a version of Firefox which is very old by now).

The most recent Adblock Plus update is also incompatible with Firefox versions prior to 29 due to the extension's support of "standard-conformant JavaScript generators syntax". This means that pre-Firefox 29 users won't be able to use Adblock Plus as well.

Pale Moon users may need to switch to a different ad blocker instead. While there are other solutions -- disabling the blocklist for instance -- it is not suggested to make use of those as it puts the browser at serious risk.

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[rudrax]

Simple: stop using palemoon. There are better alternatives.

[Kalju]

So outdated browser do not in any way want to use, if i don't have any particular reason.

Rather, it would be nice to use Netscape, but Windows anger is not still ended and it is also impossible.

That last sentence is for those who remembers Netscape, and how were his relations with Windows.

[dcs18]

Ah well, life for Pale Moon seems to have come to an abrupt standstill with Australis — post Australis, they have missed on, so many security enhancements.

[CODYQX4]

This is the same logic as XP users. Your new stuff won't work on our old garbage, so we blocked you "haha you suck we fixed it".

[steven36]

Why does it matter did they block it it dont work for that browser since along time ago . ABP had a long time to make it compatible and didn't . That's the why the devopler of Palmoon made there own fork of it ABL .

​Whens the last time ABP added anything useful except for keeping working in Firefox and Chrome latest builds?

[CODYQX4]

Why does it matter did they block it it dont work for that browser since along time ago . ABP had a long time to make it compatible and didn't . That's the why the devopler of Palmoon made there own fork of it ABL .

​Whens the last time ABP added anything useful except for keeping working in Firefox and Chrome latest builds?

I'm not aware of them ever adding new features. uBlock will most likely eat their lunch.

[MidnightDistortions]

I use firefox and chrome, no problems with Adblock here! :duh:

[Rivenson]

Simple: stop using palemoon. There are better alternatives

please name a few ,

and better in terms of ... what?

[rudrax]

Simple: stop using palemoon. There are better alternatives

please name a few ,

and better in terms of ... what?

For performance: Nightly

For Stability: Firefox

[steven36]

If you dont use something why are you all worried about them blocking it ? If you use Firefox or Chrome it dont effect you and it was already broke in Palemoon for many moons so it dont effect anyone really . :P​ :D

[coromonadalix]

Waterfox 64bit is very good with ublock

[dcs18]

Simple: stop using palemoon. There are better alternatives

please name a few ,

and better in terms of ... what?

For performance: Nightly

For Stability: Firefox

Not to forget — security and active development.

[steven36]

Is Pale Moon safe to use?Absolutely! Pale Moon is based on the Mozilla release source code that has a large community of developers and security-aware people, next to having seen over a decade of development by now. In addition, the Pale Moon team checks and verifies any reports of issues that might impact your safety on the web. It includes, among other things, protection against dangerous add-ons, automatic checking for updates of add-ons, password protection (master password), website-identity information in the address bar, and private browsing.

Pale Moon's development includes a critical evaluation of potential security risks which are addressed in each new release, with on occasion a point-release for critical issues that is released as soon as possible after the security issue comes to light.

​

https://www.palemoon.org/faq.shtml#Is_Pale_Moon_safe_to_use

If it were not safe to use it would be all over the security blogs . :P

[Amigaspace]

What on earth is this nonsense? ABP is disabled because it is for Firefox (which is a different browser already) and naturally causes problems to unsuspecting users. There's ABL which is pretty much identical, a fork of ABP by the Pale Moon team and is designed for Pale Moon. With no money-fetching "show good ads" options.

Simple: stop using palemoon. There are better alternatives.

So outdated browser do not in any way want to use, if i don't have any particular reason.

Rather, it would be nice to use Netscape, but Windows anger is not still ended and it is also impossible.

That last sentence is for those who remembers Netscape, and how were his relations with Windows.

Ah well, life for Pale Moon seems to have come to an abrupt standstill with Australis — post Australis, they have missed on, so many security enhancements.

This is the same logic as XP users. Your new stuff won't work on our old garbage, so we blocked you "haha you suck we fixed it".

[shamu726]

APB stopped being compatible with Pale Moon when version 25.0 was first released way back when. They've since forked it to Latitude and Pale Moon users have switched to it.

So there is nothing wrong with blocking an incompatible addon. This doesn't affect anyone.

[shorty6100]

What's all the hubub, bub? I happen to use Pale Moon as a secondary browser and like it. I stopped using ABP and started using uBlock quite awhile ago.

[rudrax]

What on earth is this nonsense? ABP is disabled because it is for Firefox (which is a different browser already) and naturally causes problems to unsuspecting users. There's ABL which is pretty much identical, a fork of ABP by the Pale Moon team and is designed for Pale Moon. With no money-fetching "show good ads" options.

Pale Moon is a forked version of Firefox. The ABP add on was compatible with it before v25 was released. The ABP is still compatible with Firefox then why not with Pale Moon? Because the developer of Pale Moon don't want ABP to compatible with his browser.

[shamu726]

Pale Moon is a forked version of Firefox. The ABP add on was compatible with it before v25 was released. The ABP is still compatible with Firefox then why not with Pale Moon? Because the developer of Pale Moon don't want ABP to compatible with his browser.

You talk as if ABP was singled out or the dev had something against it. That's not the case. If it was, he wouldn't have provided a compatible fork of ABP called ABP Latitude.

Changes in v25 made a lot of addons incompatible (not just ABP). Some have been updated, some forked and some have pseudo-static versions.

Read more:

Why do some extensions not work in Pale Moon?

Compatibility Reports for v25

Known Incompatible Add-ons

Blocking incompatible addons from installing isn't a new thing; even Firefox does it.

[VileTouch]

non issue. ABL replaces it and works properly with pale moon.

[rudrax]

Pale Moon is a forked version of Firefox. The ABP add on was compatible with it before v25 was released. The ABP is still compatible with Firefox then why not with Pale Moon? Because the developer of Pale Moon don't want ABP to compatible with his browser.

You talk as if ABP was singled out or the dev had something against it. That's not the case. If it was, he wouldn't have provided a compatible fork of ABP called ABP Latitude.

Changes in v25 made a lot of addons incompatible (not just ABP). Some have been updated, some forked and some have pseudo-static versions.

Read more:

Why do some extensions not work in Pale Moon?

Compatibility Reports for v25

Known Incompatible Add-ons

Blocking incompatible addons from installing isn't a new thing; even Firefox does it.

If he wanted, he could have made ABP compatible with Pale Moon as Firefox still has no issue with it instead of creating a new forked ABL. I suppose, this guy has a lot of interest in forking things - first forked Firefox Pale Moon and then ABP as ABL. :tehe:

[VileTouch]

I suppose, this guy has a lot of interest in forking things

*pokes rudrax with a fork*

[dcs18]

What on earth is this nonsense?

What seems to be the nonsense? Do you really believe that this is about Adblock Plus?

ABP is disabled because it is for Firefox (which is a different browser already) and naturally causes problems to unsuspecting users.

Yes! Firefox is a different browser . . . . . . . . . but it is based on Firefox — an older, depreciated version of Firefox (pre-Australis.)

No! Whatever works on the latest Firefox must also work on a fork of Firefox, too namely Pale Moon. Incompatibility cannot be offered as an excuse for clinging to an old algorithm which Firefox abandoned as long as the V29.

FWIW, this is not about Adblock Plus — it is about a deeper-rooted security issue that comes with a refusal to embrace latest developments.

As far as Adblock Plus is concerned, Pale Moon Users are being led into believing that Pale Moon does not support Adblock Plus while the actual equation is that it is Adblock Plus which does not support Pale Moon.

Just take a look into their forums to get your facts right.

[rudrax]

I suppose, this guy has a lot of interest in forking things

*pokes rudrax with a fork*

Ouch!

[DiNGuS!]

Why aren’t all Firefox add-ons compatible with Pale Moon?

While we have strived for near 1:1 compatibility with Firefox in regards to add-ons, Pale Moon and Firefox are separate products. There are many possible reasons why an add-on is or has become incompatible with Pale Moon:

• The change in the Pale Moon globally unique identifier (GUID)
  • In Pale Moon 25, the GUID was changed to reflect the continuing divergence between the browser and its sibling.
  • Most of the time a modification to chrome.manifest or bootstrap.js to add/change the hard-coded GUID is a simple solution to issues with add-ons.
    • This will be done for many of the most used add-ons where a developer has chosen not to support Pale Moon or the add-on has been abandoned. Creating a pseudo-static version of the add-on as a Pale Moon specific one.
• Australis
  • In Firefox 29, Mozilla adopted a nearly completely rewritten user interface and theme as well as some technologies that Pale Moon has chosen not to implement. Add-ons targeting these features without fall-backs to the more time-tested and more commonly used features in all Mozilla-based programs will not be supported.

Source: https://addons.palemoon.org