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Guide on how to configure UltimateDefrag 2008 properly


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Posted 29 April 2008 - 04:07 AM

How to configure UltimateDefrag(UD) 2008 properly

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  • I would ask anyone to first read the included Help file(Read pages 5 through 22 and 34 through 39) that comes with UD 2008 before making his own configuration based on my guide written here, this Help file will give you a far greater understanding about how HD's operate and what will give an increase/decrease in their performance. Read the Help file, read my guide, add a little common sense and there you go: you're own 'perfect' defragmentation job configuration.

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    [/br]Works best with Windows XP, will work with any version of Windows as many of the files are the same, but this probably won't be useful for a Mac or Linux PC.

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    [/br]This guide is not to be taken as something that applies to every HD/Computer setup. This is due to the fact that everyone has a different HD size and some have more data on it then others do, these differences can affect on how my proposed settings affect your computer's performance. Something I can guarantee is that using this guide in combination with UD 2008 will give you a performance increase, how much? That's up to your interpretation and how much your HD looks like mine in size and number of GB's used.

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    [/br]However, don't come in and ask 'What is the best configuration for my PC', without even reading the Help file, my guide and adding some common sense.


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[/br]Last Access Timestamps

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[/br]It is very important to check if the Last Access Timestamps (from now on "LAT") are enabled, UD needs LAT to specify which files it will put in High Performance and which in Archive when Auto option(Explained later on) is selected, if not enabled you will lose some, if not most, of UltimateDefrag's functionality. If you do not wish to use Auto option then you can disregard this.

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[/br]Enable Last Acces Timestamps:

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  • 'FSUTIL BEHAVIOR SET DISABLELASTACCESS 0' and then hit Enter.

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[/br]Now you probably think you're done, but some programs(like some AV) change the LAT of your files when they scan them. At first glance this doesn't seem a problem, but yet it is. When Windows makes it LAT statistics it will see that every file that is scanned is not unused. This might cause UD to place them in the HP section, which is something we don't want for files that we almost never use, only when scanned by an AV. This will cause degraded performance, and that is something we do not want. The above does not apply to the on-access scanning of an AV, since the LAT will be changed anyway by the program accessing the file.

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[/br]Setting up

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[/br]I will specify which files you should put in the Archive section and which files you should put in the High Performance section now (You can get there by pressing Tools > Options> 'Select your HD' (If you just have one it is selected by default) and there you can find Archive(Wildcards, Auto and Custom), High Performance(Wildcards, Auto and Custom) and Excluded Files(* replaces any number of characters and the ? will replace one):

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    Archive(A):

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  • *.rar files(Believe it or not, but these files are 'Archives', wonder where they belong...)

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  • *.r0?, *.r1? and following up to *.r9? (Don't add these if you don't use split archives) (* stands for any number of characters and ? stand for one, UD recognizes this)

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  • *.00?, *.01? and following up to *.09? should be enough, but you could also add *.0??, *.1?? up to *.9?? but that would include any file with an extension with a digit at the start, so I recommend the first methodology (''Same as above, about the split archives, the * and the ? signs'')

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  • *.iso files(CD backup files, used to distribute CD content over the net or to backup a CD, Warning sign: Don't use this option when you have game .iso files which you use to play those games. If you just used them for installing and applied a no-CD crack you can use this option though.)

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    [/br]I don't select anything here... Because I might not have used some of my programs (In Program Files) and they would be placed in the lower performing areas that way.. Where we don't want to have them. In any case this value would depend on the available and used HD space. My HD is pretty empty so I put it to 0, but it's your pick. If your HD is more filled up, mines about 25 %, then you could try to pick a value like 5, 10, 20 or even 40 depending on how full your HD is. There isn't a 'best', there's millions of bests, for each PC it's own.

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  • In case you use MS Office, you can select C:/MSOCache/ here, these are the installer files for MS Office, which you probably won't be needing any time soon.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 10:11 AM

. . . . . . good effort, man - quite painstakingingly compiled, too :mellow:

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 11:06 AM

. . . . . . good effort, man - quite painstakingingly compiled, too :mellow:

Thanks :) But what does 'painstakingingly' exactly mean?

ps. no one has any comments/suggestions/additions??? :blink:

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 06:59 PM

ps. no one has any comments/suggestions/additions??? :)


nope, unless you can make it sprout burgers... I'm starving here :mellow: (found a new toy to play with hehe)

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 07:19 PM

Thanks :mellow: But what does 'painstakingingly' exactly mean?


Simply put - it just means that you've taken a lot of trouble for this post. :)

BTW, feedback will come soon - I'm testing out this release.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 09:18 PM

Good job and thanks for this how to :mellow:

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 01:52 AM

Thanks :mellow: But what does 'painstakingingly' exactly mean?


Simply put - it just means that you've taken a lot of trouble for this post. :)

BTW, feedback will come soon - I'm testing out this release.

K, that's great :blink: I hope someone with a bit more full HD will test my settings, because i just tested those settings on a 20 % and 30% full HD ;)

If anyone knows some more files that would be qualified for the Archive or High Performance region, please do tell me :)

@LoKz thanks :D

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 01:36 PM

. . . . . . good effort, man - quite painstakingingly compiled, too :rolleyes:

Thanks :( But what does 'painstakingingly' exactly mean?

ps. no one has any comments/suggestions/additions??? :blink:

he means you put a lot of extemporaneous effort into the post.
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 06:35 PM

. . . . . . good effort, man - quite painstakingingly compiled, too ;)

Thanks ;) But what does 'painstakingingly' exactly mean?

ps. no one has any comments/suggestions/additions??? :blink:

he means you put a lot of extemporaneous effort into the post.

Yeah, he told me :) But thanks anyway :D

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:05 PM

High Performance:
Wildcards:
- *.exe All .exe files(I have never used this option myself, but UD recommends it. It is quite logic, all executables should be high performance)
- *.dll All .dll files(''Same as above'')


I have always used the above ' Consolidate' and it was reccomended to
me one time that I might want to add .cab files also, so I did.....
Unsure if it really helped but I could see it doing so.

*.cab

BTW:.. You will find with this MiNT release as with all the others
that you can not set a schedule..I have had many test this...the only
release that you could was CORE and FFF.... hopefully they grab this one.

Edit!::.. typ0

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:54 PM

High Performance:
Wildcards:
- *.exe All .exe files(I have never used this option myself, but UD recommends it. It is quite logic, all executables should be high performance)
- *.dll All .dll files(''Same as above'')


I have always used the above ' Consolidate' and it was reccomended to
me one time that I might want to add .cab files also, so I did.....
Unsure if it really helped but I could see it doing do.

*.cab

BTW:.. You will find with this MiNT release as with all the others
that you can not set a schedule..I have had many test this...the only
release that you could was CORE and FFF.... hopefully they grab this one.

Add .cab to high performance...? You sure? That's in the Archive section here, thanks for telling me something about this. I'll investigate this :wtf: ;)

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 08:02 PM

Well my guess is because a cabinet (.cab) file is a library of
compressed files stored as a single file. Cabinet files are used to organize
installation files that are copied to the user's system. Installation files contain
.exe and .dll files (and others ) but I could see it being good to have them
alongside one another.

As I said, I am unsure what good it does, but I do it anyway and have since UD came out.

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 09:08 AM

You might as well point out that the auto methods (auto defrag method, and automatic in high performance and archive) uses last access timestamps, and therefore only works if you do not use a program that modifies these, even though it is not a true file usage. This type of programs is for example anti virus, anti spyware, desktop search and indexing tools etc.

From disktrix:

Some antivirus programs and desktop search and indexing
programs update the Last Access times of files that they scan and index.
Technically this contravenes Microsoft’s suggested practice for updating
Last Access time stamps since it is not a true “normal use” access. In this
instance we suggest that you lobby the maker of your antivirus program or
search program to have their products not alter the last access time stamp
when doing their scans of your files.


I have started this thread to help identify these programs, that way one could look for alternatives or just stop using the auto methods, otherwise archive files will be placed in high performance.

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 09:54 AM

In high performance I would recommend putting the entire documents and settings folder (exept subfolders put in archive), since the folder "all users" also is used by some programs.

In archive tick all folders in windir starting with "$" that way you don't have to add any future folders in the archive section of your thread, if you chose not to, the I have an addition: windows\$MSI31uninstall*

Archive

You might also add C:\RECYCLER, to archive, since those files in the recycle bin won't be used, otherwise they are restored :blink:

windows\I386 (correct me if I am wrong, but this is a backup of the same dir on the wincd, won't be used on a daily basis)

windows\ie7updates (containing updates not the browser, that is stored in windows\ie7)

windows\ServicePackFiles (same as I386)

windows\SoftwareDistribution (used when updating, not used afterwards)

windows\system32\dllcache (name says it all :P backup folder in which Windows XP stores protected system files)

If you have a folder in which you store all your downloaded files (such as installers etc.) place that in archive also, since these files only are used once (the programs run from another folder)

You could also place your temp folders in archive, ideally these should be be emptied every now and then, but if that is not done, this get filled with a lot of files that is no longer used (newly created files in these folders are those files that are used, and they will be placed outside archive until next defrag):

windows\temp
C:\documents and settings\%username%\local settings\temporary internet files
C:\documents and settings\%username%\local settings\temp
C:\documents and settings\default user\temp


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Posted 02 May 2008 - 06:10 PM

You might as well point out that the auto methods (auto defrag method, and automatic in high performance and archive) uses last access timestamps, and therefore only works if you do not use a program that modifies these, even though it is not a true file usage. This type of programs is for example anti virus, anti spyware, desktop search and indexing tools etc.

From disktrix:

Some antivirus programs and desktop search and indexing
programs update the Last Access times of files that they scan and index.
Technically this contravenes Microsoft’s suggested practice for updating
Last Access time stamps since it is not a true “normal use” access. In this
instance we suggest that you lobby the maker of your antivirus program or
search program to have their products not alter the last access time stamp
when doing their scans of your files.


I have started this thread to help identify these programs, that way one could look for alternatives or just stop using the auto methods, otherwise archive files will be placed in high performance.

Many thanks for this, never thought about this. Very useful addition :P

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 06:29 PM

In high performance I would recommend putting the entire documents and settings folder (exept subfolders put in archive), since the folder "all users" also is used by some programs.

In archive tick all folders in windir starting with "$" that way you don't have to add any future folders in the archive section of your thread, if you chose not to, the I have an addition: windows\$MSI31uninstall*

Archive

You might also add C:\RECYCLER, to archive, since those files in the recycle bin won't be used, otherwise they are restored :P How on earth did i forget to add this?

windows\I386 (correct me if I am wrong, but this is a backup of the same dir on the wincd, won't be used on a daily basis) Yep, totally true, but i don't have this folder on my new PC, so that's why i didn't notice it :rockon:

windows\ie7updates (containing updates not the browser, that is stored in windows\ie7) Thanks for this addition

windows\ServicePackFiles (same as I386) (Same as above)

windows\SoftwareDistribution (used when updating, not used afterwards) (Same as above)

windows\system32\dllcache (name says it all :rockon: backup folder in which Windows XP stores protected system files) (Same as above)

If you have a folder in which you store all your downloaded files (such as installers etc.) place that in archive also, since these files only are used once (the programs run from another folder) I'll add this to ;)


You could also place your temp folders in archive, ideally these should be be emptied every now and then, but if that is not done, this get filled with a lot of files that is no longer used (newly created files in these folders are those files that are used, and they will be placed outside archive until next defrag):

windows\temp
C:\documents and settings\%username%\local settings\temporary internet files
C:\documents and settings\%username%\local settings\temp
C:\documents and settings\default user\temp

I don't agree with you on this last one because of this: When you do a defrag and leave your computer running these Temp files will still be in use and change in size, therefore cause fragmentation in the inner(archive) section and the outer(high performance) section because the new bytes will be written in the high performance area and not in the archive area. This will (for the moment) decrease computer responsiveness significantly.


Many thanks for adding these valuable things, i'll add your name to the credits for the guide too ;)

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 06:43 AM

(...)I don't agree with you on this last one because of this: When you do a defrag and leave your computer running these Temp files will still be in use and change in size, therefore cause fragmentation in the inner(archive) section and the outer(high performance) section because the new bytes will be written in the high performance area and not in the archive area. This will (for the moment) decrease computer responsiveness significantly.


You are right here. What I should have written was: Those folders should be excluded from high performance (when placing placing documents and settings there, same applies to windows temp, if you chose to put the entire windir in HP), if the are not present in either archive or high performance, this files will (just as any other new file) be written in the nearest free space from the outer tracks and in (on a new defragmentet HDD the order will be: 1. high performance, 2. "defragmethod" (depends on your choice for example consolidate), 3. free space for new files and 4. archive)

Many thanks for adding these valuable things, i'll add your name to the credits for the guide too :smoke:


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Posted 06 May 2008 - 09:29 AM

(...)I don't agree with you on this last one because of this: When you do a defrag and leave your computer running these Temp files will still be in use and change in size, therefore cause fragmentation in the inner(archive) section and the outer(high performance) section because the new bytes will be written in the high performance area and not in the archive area. This will (for the moment) decrease computer responsiveness significantly.


You are right here. What I should have written was: Those folders should be excluded from high performance (when placing placing documents and settings there, same applies to windows temp, if you chose to put the entire windir in HP), if the are not present in either archive or high performance, this files will (just as any other new file) be written in the nearest free space from the outer tracks and in (on a new defragmentet HDD the order will be: 1. high performance, 2. "defragmethod" (depends on your choice for example consolidate), 3. free space for new files and 4. archive)

Hmmmm, you're right here. :smoke: :dance2: But in most scenarios it won't matter if these files are placed in the High Performance section or the Consolidate(Everything not within HP and A) section. At least it does not in my case. Removing those folders from the high performance selection will be a pain in the ass because then you'll have to add more separate folders... I'm thinking about adding it though, but i might make something like a 'Configuration that will give you slightly improved performance, but will be a pain in the ass to set up too.' section in the end of my guide. Nah, just kidding here. Thinking about adding it and how to make it (may be impossible) easier to configure that way.

Thanks again :dance2:

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 01:35 PM

(...)I don't agree with you on this last one because of this: When you do a defrag and leave your computer running these Temp files will still be in use and change in size, therefore cause fragmentation in the inner(archive) section and the outer(high performance) section because the new bytes will be written in the high performance area and not in the archive area. This will (for the moment) decrease computer responsiveness significantly.


You are right here. What I should have written was: Those folders should be excluded from high performance (when placing placing documents and settings there, same applies to windows temp, if you chose to put the entire windir in HP), if the are not present in either archive or high performance, this files will (just as any other new file) be written in the nearest free space from the outer tracks and in (on a new defragmentet HDD the order will be: 1. high performance, 2. "defragmethod" (depends on your choice for example consolidate), 3. free space for new files and 4. archive)

Hmmmm, you're right here. :sneaky: :P But in most scenarios it won't matter if these files are placed in the High Performance section or the Consolidate(Everything not within HP and A) section. At least it does not in my case. Removing those folders from the high performance selection will be a pain in the ass because then you'll have to add more separate folders... I'm thinking about adding it though, but i might make something like a 'Configuration that will give you slightly improved performance, but will be a pain in the ass to set up too.' section in the end of my guide. Nah, just kidding here. Thinking about adding it and how to make it (may be impossible) easier to configure that way.

Thanks again :D


Well about pain in the ass you can talk about adding all the "$" folders in the windir. When disktrix announced the new UD 2008, they wrote that the new wildcard feature made it possible to exclude all these folders easily... Finally I no longer had to click those 150+ (maybe not that much but close, definitely a lot more than thos 70 claimed in the UD manual) or I at least thought so... When I tried the new version, I tried to exclude those in the wildcards, but they did not end in archive. I searched the website to see what I did wrong, but after the release they no longer claimed this on the site :frusty: :blink: (since they can't keep their promises, will we then see a working bootdefrag option i june? I hope so)... I am still waiting for that feature :beg:

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Posted 06 May 2008 - 01:51 PM

Waiting for that feature too, but about the Wildcard option: That only works with files, not with folders. That was very disappointing to me too :D

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